1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,952 [WHOOSH] 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,856 [MUSIC PLAYING] 3 00:00:18,245 --> 00:00:19,870 BILLY CARSON: Welcome to "Disclosure" 4 00:00:19,870 --> 00:00:21,820 with Dr. Steven Greer. 5 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:23,830 In this episode, we discuss the origins 6 00:00:23,830 --> 00:00:25,430 of The Disclosure Project. 7 00:00:25,430 --> 00:00:26,560 Welcome, Dr. Greer. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,643 STEVEN GREER: Thank you. 9 00:00:27,643 --> 00:00:28,790 Great being with you. 10 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:30,620 BILLY: Dr. Greer, what events kicked off 11 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:32,450 the Disclosure in 1993? 12 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:33,950 GREER: Yeah, a lot of people don't 13 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:36,170 know that the roots of the disclosure movement 14 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:37,050 go way back. 15 00:00:37,050 --> 00:00:40,280 As I mentioned, 1992, after the events 16 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,040 in the CE5 that happened, that led 17 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,980 to a series rapidly evolving events, 18 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:50,240 including the people who reached out 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,840 to me who were close to President Clinton 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,010 and who informed me quite unbelievably at the time-- 21 00:00:58,010 --> 00:00:59,210 I didn't believe it-- 22 00:00:59,210 --> 00:01:01,460 that the president and the director of the CIA 23 00:01:01,460 --> 00:01:05,660 had been denied access to these unacknowledged special access 24 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:06,620 projects. 25 00:01:06,620 --> 00:01:11,000 So around that time, I had a number 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,110 of what I call the white hat friendly people in military 27 00:01:15,110 --> 00:01:18,260 and intelligence circles, some of whom 28 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:21,300 had been in unacknowledged special access projects, which 29 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:24,920 were the very top secret, compartmented operations, 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,880 who wanted to help. 31 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:34,040 And so we began to talk and discuss what to do. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,230 This initiative that came from people in the White House 33 00:01:39,230 --> 00:01:41,240 was to set up a briefing between me 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,660 and the DCI, the Director of Central Intelligence, CIA 35 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:46,820 Director Woolsey. 36 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:51,093 In the letter it says, and rather astonishingly, 37 00:01:51,093 --> 00:01:52,760 the most powerful interests in the world 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,460 are going to try to stop this and that we have 39 00:01:55,460 --> 00:02:02,930 to be very careful, and that these leaders in our country 40 00:02:02,930 --> 00:02:05,450 are not read into, which is military speak 41 00:02:05,450 --> 00:02:07,610 for briefed on this issue. 42 00:02:07,610 --> 00:02:11,600 Now leading up to this, [LAUGHS] some people 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,690 who were with Laurance Rockefeller reached out to me. 44 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:18,110 And I did a series of trips up to New York 45 00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:22,220 to meet with those folks, and eventually was 46 00:02:22,220 --> 00:02:27,830 invited out to the Rockefeller Ranch in 1993 47 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:31,800 with a number of people in this field. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:38,580 And his interest was mainly in the CE5 contact events. 49 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:40,170 And he was supportive of doing this. 50 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:41,910 Unfortunately, he was surrounded by a lot 51 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:46,620 of operatives that diverted his interest eventually. 52 00:02:46,620 --> 00:02:50,010 And people talk about the Rockefeller initiative. 53 00:02:50,010 --> 00:02:51,840 There was no around Rockefeller initiative. 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,660 It was called Project Starlight that I 55 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:58,320 founded with a group of military people and administration 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,010 people to get this information to the right folks 57 00:03:02,010 --> 00:03:06,450 in the government who were not being told the truth. 58 00:03:06,450 --> 00:03:10,930 And Laurance Rockefeller was very supportive of that, 59 00:03:10,930 --> 00:03:17,930 so he hosted us there in September of 1993. 60 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:22,290 In the meanwhile-- he didn't know this either, 61 00:03:22,290 --> 00:03:23,950 Laurance Rockefeller was astonished. 62 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:26,033 And he said, well, where are you going after here? 63 00:03:26,033 --> 00:03:28,920 I said, I'm going to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 64 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,050 to brief the head of the Foreign Aerospace Science 65 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:35,460 and Technology Center, which is where all the original Roswell 66 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:37,710 debris and all that stuff was sent. 67 00:03:37,710 --> 00:03:40,410 And I was meeting with the colonel, 68 00:03:40,410 --> 00:03:43,620 trying to get them to de-conflict 69 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:47,130 their operations with our CE5 contact operations. 70 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:49,510 That's what that meeting was about. 71 00:03:49,510 --> 00:03:51,280 Interestingly, the colonel said, well, 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,790 what if some of these civilizations 73 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:57,780 aren't friendly or hostile? 74 00:03:57,780 --> 00:03:59,880 I said, sir, with all due respect, 75 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,480 given the galactically stupid things we've been doing, 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,970 if they were hostile, they would have been point, set, 77 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:09,120 match the day we detonated that first atomic bomb. 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,550 And the intelligence officer was scribbling furiously, 79 00:04:11,550 --> 00:04:12,890 Bruce Ashcroft. 80 00:04:12,890 --> 00:04:15,360 It was very kind of comical. 81 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,730 But you know, it showed the kind of thinking 82 00:04:17,730 --> 00:04:19,050 in those military circles. 83 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:20,760 We don't control these things. 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,930 Therefore, they're a threat. 85 00:04:21,930 --> 00:04:23,250 Therefore, we're going to kill them. 86 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:24,583 I mean, it was boom, boom, boom. 87 00:04:24,583 --> 00:04:25,620 It's that simple. 88 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:30,510 So just beforehand, I was at a meeting out here in Phoenix. 89 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:32,310 And there was a group of folks who 90 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:35,100 were members of this committee, dealing 91 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:39,190 with these classified systems, dealing with UFOs, 92 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:40,440 extraterrestrial intelligence. 93 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,910 And it was late at night. 94 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:43,500 10:00, 11 o'clock at night. 95 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:46,500 They said, look, we know all about your meeting 96 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:50,500 with CIA Director Woolsey that's coming up. 97 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:53,312 You don't need to meet with the president or the CIA director. 98 00:04:53,312 --> 00:04:55,020 They don't know anything, and they're not 99 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:57,150 going to know anything. 100 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:59,880 If you want to talk to people dealing with this issue, 101 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,140 you meet with people like us. 102 00:05:01,140 --> 00:05:04,350 And it's this conference room full of suits. 103 00:05:04,350 --> 00:05:06,240 We're the ones who do all the WFO-- 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,790 Work For Others-- contracting for the government. 105 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:11,760 We're the ones who are running the supercomputers backing up 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,650 the global financial system. 107 00:05:13,650 --> 00:05:16,110 We're the ones-- and he goes on and on. 108 00:05:16,110 --> 00:05:17,940 And also, we're the ones cooperating 109 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:20,550 with certain orders of Jesuit priests 110 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:24,030 in the technology transfer programs and with the Vatican. 111 00:05:24,030 --> 00:05:26,700 I'm going, this is like something out of-- 112 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:27,750 through the rabbit hole. 113 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:31,450 And at first, I thought he had to be making this up. 114 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:34,360 And it's turned out, every word he said was true. 115 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,723 So I got back to Peterson. 116 00:05:35,723 --> 00:05:38,140 Said, look, there's a group that knows about this meeting, 117 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:39,460 and he went ballistic. 118 00:05:39,460 --> 00:05:40,260 How can they know? 119 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:43,710 I said, John, they have ways of monitoring things 120 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:48,070 that don't require speed of light signals and phones. 121 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:49,200 All right? 122 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,840 That can interface space time electronically, 123 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,570 remotely, scalar. 124 00:05:54,570 --> 00:05:56,140 Faster than the speed of light. 125 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:58,630 So I said, just don't worry about it. 126 00:05:58,630 --> 00:06:00,320 So we have the meeting. 127 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,340 The first few minutes, I have a briefcase 128 00:06:02,340 --> 00:06:04,260 full of all these evidence and pictures 129 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:06,390 and government documents and stuff. 130 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:08,220 He says, I know this is true. 131 00:06:08,220 --> 00:06:09,990 I know these things are real. 132 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:13,200 What I don't understand is why the president and I 133 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,940 are being denied access. 134 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:20,440 So the whole conversation was about the nature 135 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,900 of these unacknowledged special access projects, 136 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:25,060 that they are highly compartmented, 137 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:28,165 that they are not-- 138 00:06:28,165 --> 00:06:31,510 people who are in the Senate or the White House, a few of them 139 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:34,600 are read into them, but they're cooperating with the secrecy. 140 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,180 Most of them have no idea. 141 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:41,830 It turned out that the rank you have, like in the military, 142 00:06:41,830 --> 00:06:44,830 in the Pentagon, or the CIA has nothing 143 00:06:44,830 --> 00:06:46,993 to do with whether you're told about it. 144 00:06:46,993 --> 00:06:48,910 It's whether or not you're willing to go along 145 00:06:48,910 --> 00:06:51,220 with the agenda of the secrecy. 146 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:52,360 That's it. 147 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,230 But what was interesting about this to me-- 148 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:55,563 so we went through the material. 149 00:06:55,563 --> 00:06:58,330 I explained the structure of these unacknowledged special 150 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,885 access projects and how they were being run. 151 00:07:01,885 --> 00:07:03,760 And he said, yeah, I'm just sort of a guy who 152 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,310 goes up on Capitol Hill and brings tens of billions 153 00:07:06,310 --> 00:07:08,320 of dollars back to the CIA. 154 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,660 But he admitted that there were many projects 155 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:13,570 he was not read into, even though he was the director. 156 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:19,240 So at the end of it, I had put together 157 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,970 a set of executive order recommendations 158 00:07:21,970 --> 00:07:23,750 for the president. 159 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:26,110 When I handed it to him-- 160 00:07:26,110 --> 00:07:27,820 and I said, we really need your help 161 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:29,990 disclosing this and getting this problem fixed. 162 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:30,823 And he looked at me. 163 00:07:30,823 --> 00:07:33,130 And says, Dr. Greer, how do we disclose that 164 00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:36,330 which we have no access to? 165 00:07:36,330 --> 00:07:39,795 And my wife and I are at this meeting going, holy crap. 166 00:07:39,795 --> 00:07:42,270 This is really a bad situation. 167 00:07:42,270 --> 00:07:45,060 That was my introduction to through the looking 168 00:07:45,060 --> 00:07:49,920 glass of mirrors and craziness of the national security state. 169 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,030 Ultimately, the thing that was the most hopeful thing 170 00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:58,810 at this meeting was his wife, Sue Woolsey. 171 00:07:58,810 --> 00:08:02,500 And she had the insight to ask-- 172 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:05,050 she said, Dr. Greer, what I don't understand 173 00:08:05,050 --> 00:08:08,920 is how are they communicating across the vastness 174 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,230 of interstellar distances? 175 00:08:11,230 --> 00:08:13,080 Because at the speed of light, it 176 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,430 would take millions of years or thousands of years 177 00:08:15,430 --> 00:08:17,268 to get a signal from point A to B. 178 00:08:17,268 --> 00:08:18,560 And I said, yeah, that's right. 179 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,740 And look at our Milky Way galaxy. 180 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:22,345 100,000 light years across. 181 00:08:22,345 --> 00:08:24,580 And a light year isn't a measure of time. 182 00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:25,900 It's a measure of distance. 183 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:30,400 It's how far a beam of light goes at 186,000 184 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,855 miles per second for a year. 185 00:08:32,855 --> 00:08:33,730 Now think about that. 186 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:37,840 186,000 miles every second for a year. 187 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,039 That's one light year. 188 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:42,429 The Milky Way's 100,000 of those. 189 00:08:42,429 --> 00:08:46,750 So 1% across the Milky Way galaxy, 190 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:49,420 1,000 light years, at the speed of light 191 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:51,310 to say, hello, how are you doing, 192 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:53,710 would take 1,000 years to get the signal there 193 00:08:53,710 --> 00:08:56,490 and another 1,000 years to get the signal back. 194 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:58,810 That's the time since the birth of Christ, OK? 195 00:08:58,810 --> 00:09:00,130 So I said, look. 196 00:09:00,130 --> 00:09:01,900 So the speed of light is completely 197 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:07,770 insufficient for any and all interstellar civilizations. 198 00:09:07,770 --> 00:09:12,390 Therefore, they are using trans-dimensional physics 199 00:09:12,390 --> 00:09:14,160 that involves faster than the speed 200 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,550 of light interface with thought consciousness and devices. 201 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:20,040 And it goes two ways. 202 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,860 Technology-assisted consciousness 203 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:25,200 where your conscious thought is assisted 204 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,350 by a technology and consciousness-assisted 205 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:31,410 technologies where your mind assists the device. 206 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:34,330 It flows both directions. 207 00:09:34,330 --> 00:09:36,000 And that's what they're using. 208 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,800 BILLY: Right. 209 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,420 Is this likened to quantum entanglement and quantum 210 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:43,140 physics where two particles communicate instantaneously, 211 00:09:43,140 --> 00:09:44,530 bypassing space and time? 212 00:09:44,530 --> 00:09:45,330 GREER: Yes. 213 00:09:45,330 --> 00:09:48,220 It's what Einstein called the spooky effect. 214 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:52,510 And when you're dealing with that level of entanglement, 215 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:55,720 take that times infinity when you're dealing 216 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,940 with consciousness and thought. 217 00:09:57,940 --> 00:10:02,620 So the whole cosmos is this interrelated, interwoven, 218 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:05,710 non-local-- and non-local means it's not 219 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:09,550 a straight line in space time, but it's within each other, 220 00:10:09,550 --> 00:10:11,480 and proximity is right there. 221 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,380 So we think, oh, the Andromeda galaxy as two and a half 222 00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:17,543 million light years away. 223 00:10:17,543 --> 00:10:19,960 At the speed of light, it takes you two and a half million 224 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,460 years to get there. 225 00:10:21,460 --> 00:10:26,140 But within this entangled, interrelated cosmos 226 00:10:26,140 --> 00:10:29,620 on a quantum level, it's actually right here. 227 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:31,040 It's right here. 228 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Now, what is here? 229 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,210 I mean, it gets into this discussion of dimensions 230 00:10:34,210 --> 00:10:35,740 and thought and consciousness. 231 00:10:35,740 --> 00:10:38,470 But that's what all interstellar civilizations 232 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:40,290 have to have mastered. 233 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:41,290 And so I explained that. 234 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:43,390 And that was actually, to me-- what 235 00:10:43,390 --> 00:10:45,490 that said to me, because to be honest with you, 236 00:10:45,490 --> 00:10:47,350 when she first asked the question, 237 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:49,180 I thought, I'd better not answer this, 238 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:51,410 because I will discredit myself. 239 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:53,030 And this is the fulfillment of what 240 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:56,510 I was told in 1991 by an intelligence officer who 241 00:10:56,510 --> 00:10:59,640 had been involved in this area for decades. 242 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:05,010 And he said, if you tell the truth, it hides itself. 243 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:08,780 It will discredit you, because the truth is so much more 244 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:12,830 bizarre than the fiction that's out there on UFOs. 245 00:11:12,830 --> 00:11:14,540 But I think it's time for people to know 246 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:15,920 the truth and the whole truth. 247 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,720 BILLY: Mm-hmm. 248 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,660 Absolutely. 249 00:11:17,660 --> 00:11:20,630 CIA Director James Woolsey denied the purpose of a dinner 250 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:22,220 party that you had attended. 251 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:23,722 Can you tell us about that? 252 00:11:23,722 --> 00:11:24,680 GREER: Yes, actually. 253 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:25,940 It wasn't just a dinner party. 254 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:28,640 That was the cover for a briefing for the CIA director. 255 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,500 And I can prove it from the letters 256 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:33,290 I received from the man who set it up 257 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:37,190 and who hosted it, John Peterson of the Arlington Institute. 258 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:41,900 And the reason this happens, as I often sort of joke, 259 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:45,020 is that in Washington, how do you know they're lying? 260 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:45,960 Their lips are moving. 261 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:46,760 BILLY: [LAUGHS] 262 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,343 GREER: So if their lips are moving-- 263 00:11:48,343 --> 00:11:52,400 so after he left office, I never talked about this meeting. 264 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,300 In fact, less than a year after the meeting, which took place 265 00:11:56,300 --> 00:12:02,550 on December 13, 1993, in the Washington area, 266 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:05,460 I was on "Larry King" for a special he 267 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:08,400 did that was out near Area 51. 268 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,440 And I didn't speak of it. 269 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,560 I didn't speak of it till he was out of office, 270 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:15,450 because I didn't want-- 271 00:12:15,450 --> 00:12:17,220 I felt that while he was in office, 272 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:21,630 I should give him enough freedom to proceed internally 273 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:25,410 to see if he could get control of the situation. 274 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:27,660 Of course, he didn't, and there's 275 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:29,430 this follow-on story to this. 276 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:33,300 But when he later denied that that was the purpose 277 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:34,770 of the meeting, I simply-- 278 00:12:34,770 --> 00:12:37,110 and he had everyone at the meeting except me 279 00:12:37,110 --> 00:12:38,740 and my wife sign this letter. 280 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:43,230 He, the CIA director, his wife, the host, John Peterson, 281 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:47,460 and his wife, saying that that wasn't what happened. 282 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:50,040 Which, of course, was calling me a liar. 283 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,740 And so I said, well, unfortunately, I 284 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,230 keep everything in my archive, and here's 285 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:58,770 the letter setting up the meeting that explicitly 286 00:12:58,770 --> 00:13:00,400 says what it's about. 287 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,600 So here's the problem. 288 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,490 There's so many people who keep covering up and lying and lying 289 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:07,750 and lying, and it's very worrisome. 290 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:09,130 So I just push back on it. 291 00:13:09,130 --> 00:13:09,930 Say, no. 292 00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:10,620 This is what happened. 293 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:11,662 It's very matter of fact. 294 00:13:11,662 --> 00:13:14,370 I don't make up stories. 295 00:13:14,370 --> 00:13:15,730 And luckily, I can prove it. 296 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:17,560 [LAUGHS] So that was that. 297 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,690 Now interestingly, after that meeting-- 298 00:13:19,690 --> 00:13:22,020 so that's December '93-- 299 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:24,510 I ended up a couple of months later 300 00:13:24,510 --> 00:13:27,060 having a very close friend of the president-- 301 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:30,090 Clinton-- come to my home in North Carolina. 302 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:32,580 And he blurts out-- 303 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:35,730 he says, well, the president's very-- 304 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:38,040 and his people are very supportive of what you've 305 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,220 recommended, that secrecy on this be ended, 306 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:43,080 we bring out these technologies, that people 307 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,910 know we're not alone in the universe, 308 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:48,060 within a framework of it being a positive announcement, 309 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:49,890 not something scary. 310 00:13:49,890 --> 00:13:52,620 However, his people are convinced 311 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:54,690 that if President Clinton does that, 312 00:13:54,690 --> 00:13:57,320 he will end up like Jack Kennedy. 313 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,060 And I start laughing, because I think, 314 00:13:59,060 --> 00:14:01,370 oh, this is a bad John le Carre novel. 315 00:14:01,370 --> 00:14:03,680 It's like a bad conspiracy novel. 316 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,360 And he says, stop. 317 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,380 We're not joking. 318 00:14:06,380 --> 00:14:07,640 And he tells me-- 319 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,530 this was the follow-up-- he says, 320 00:14:09,530 --> 00:14:12,470 the president won't do anything about this 321 00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:13,790 because it is too dangerous. 322 00:14:13,790 --> 00:14:15,350 Too risky. 323 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:18,200 But you should I said, what? 324 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,880 I have no official standing. 325 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,960 I'm doing this as a non-profit, non-governmental organization. 326 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,050 And he said, yes, but they think you can do it. 327 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:31,340 I said, what you really are saying is I'm expendable. 328 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:32,840 And he looked me right in the eyes. 329 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:33,920 This is so Washington. 330 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,540 Yes, you're expendable. 331 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:36,710 I went, OK, great. 332 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:37,790 So I'm the throwaway. 333 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:39,660 I always tell people, I'm the throwaway guy. 334 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:40,460 BILLY: Right. 335 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:41,240 GREER: Yeah. 336 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,060 BILLY: Interesting. 337 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:43,435 GREER: So that's what happened. 338 00:14:43,435 --> 00:14:46,070 And subsequently, Laurance Rockefeller 339 00:14:46,070 --> 00:14:50,990 did host the Clintons out at his ranch in the summer of '94, '95 340 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:52,520 that period. 341 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,390 Allegedly a vacation, but it was for them to get brought up 342 00:14:56,390 --> 00:14:57,380 to speed on this. 343 00:14:57,380 --> 00:14:59,810 I put together a very large collection 344 00:14:59,810 --> 00:15:02,630 of cases and briefing materials that was then 345 00:15:02,630 --> 00:15:06,200 rewritten by Antonio Huneeus and some people, 346 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,492 and that was provided subsequently by biding his time 347 00:15:11,492 --> 00:15:12,950 and getting out of the White House. 348 00:15:12,950 --> 00:15:15,830 He was kind of pulled in to a certain level 349 00:15:15,830 --> 00:15:19,670 by George H.W. Bush, who was a long-standing member 350 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:21,050 of the committee. 351 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:23,810 200, 300 people who were operating 352 00:15:23,810 --> 00:15:25,455 these clandestine organizations. 353 00:15:25,455 --> 00:15:26,255 BILLY: Hmm 354 00:15:26,255 --> 00:15:26,630 GREER: Yeah. 355 00:15:26,630 --> 00:15:28,880 BILLY: That's interesting, because when you bring up 356 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,320 Laurance Rockefeller, I remember when Hillary Clinton was 357 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,910 running for president. 358 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:38,540 There's a famous picture of her leaving the Rockefeller Ranch. 359 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:41,460 And in her hand, if you zoom in, she's got a book about aliens. 360 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:42,260 GREER: Yes. 361 00:15:42,260 --> 00:15:45,200 And that was all a follow-on to the-- 362 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,280 well, actually, in '94-- 363 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,363 I need to tell this story. 364 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:49,850 A very interesting thing that happened. 365 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:52,850 I had a meeting with some people who 366 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:56,870 were wanting to help with this. 367 00:15:56,870 --> 00:16:01,370 Some had been State Department, military, unacknowledged 368 00:16:01,370 --> 00:16:02,750 projects. 369 00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:07,460 And we had a meeting at the Monroe Institute, 370 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:09,782 which is very near where my home in Virginia is now. 371 00:16:09,782 --> 00:16:11,990 And of course, that's where Robert Monroe, Bob Monroe 372 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:14,390 would train army intelligence people 373 00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:19,340 and others in their version of remote viewing, what have you. 374 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:24,410 And we had this meeting, and that's when we said, look, 375 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:30,680 we're going to continue this going forward. 376 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:37,340 But at any rate, in '94, this continued to unfold. 377 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:41,330 And eventually, we had this amazing meeting 378 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:44,220 with the first Disclosure Project witnesses. 379 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:47,480 And I remember we're now, in 2021, 380 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,090 the 20-year anniversary of what everyone knows 381 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:51,827 as The Disclosure Project. 382 00:16:51,827 --> 00:16:53,660 But there was all this preparatory work that 383 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:57,180 led up to it back in the '90s. 384 00:16:57,180 --> 00:17:00,620 So it took from '92 or '93 until 2001 385 00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:03,360 to get everything in order for that. 386 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,490 And this is the back story. 387 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:06,740 Most people don't know this back story, which 388 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:09,073 I think is important, because there are a lot of lessons 389 00:17:09,073 --> 00:17:12,200 I learned and the public can learn about how things operate. 390 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,380 And so you know, we had the first gathering 391 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:17,750 of military witnesses, cosmonauts, 392 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:22,880 astronauts at Asilomar, a facility near Monterey 393 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,089 in California in the summer of 1995. 394 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:30,050 And that was supported financially, 395 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:33,500 funded by Rockefeller, but I was running it. 396 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:37,100 Now, people in the UFO culture-- oh, the Rockefeller initiative. 397 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:39,590 He wasn't organizing or running any of these things. 398 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:40,520 We were. 399 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,920 And it was an attempt to pull people together 400 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,680 who would come forward with credentials-- 401 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,320 and astronaut Edgar Mitchell was there, amongst others. 402 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,520 And it was the first gathering like this. 403 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,180 I had entrusted someone involved in the UFO community to video 404 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:57,620 and audiotape all of it. 405 00:17:57,620 --> 00:18:00,090 And unfortunately, he stole all of those, 406 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:01,700 and I think he was an operative. 407 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:04,070 So we don't have a record of that, unfortunately. 408 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:06,060 It was all confiscated and stolen. 409 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:06,860 BILLY: Yeah. 410 00:18:06,860 --> 00:18:08,600 I was going to actually ask you, when 411 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,850 you're doing these kind of clandestine meetings 412 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:13,580 in the beginning stages, there's so much 413 00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:15,800 opening opportunity for people to come and kind of 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,890 be plants and gather intel and find out what 415 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:20,340 the heck you're doing. 416 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:21,950 GREER: Well, the people who want to know what I'm doing 417 00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:23,742 know what I'm doing in real time, you know? 418 00:18:23,742 --> 00:18:25,460 I tell this hilarious story early 419 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:29,960 on of sitting in my house, and there 420 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,240 was one of these guys whose family were 421 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,320 some of the original founders of the National Security Agency 422 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,000 came in and he said, look. 423 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,830 If you want us to know what you're doing 424 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:44,000 or even the president, just sit in your office and talk. 425 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,440 Or pick up the phone and talk. 426 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,570 It doesn't matter if there's a dial tone. 427 00:18:47,570 --> 00:18:48,890 It was really quite funny. 428 00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:51,080 And he was literally telling the truth. 429 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,070 But there was a lot to learn from them. 430 00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:54,860 And I learned-- I mean, it was very hard. 431 00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:56,740 I have never been in the government. 432 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:59,140 Never gotten an Indian head nickel from the government. 433 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:02,575 Turned down a lot. 434 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:05,200 And I certainly didn't understand the structure 435 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,570 of these unacknowledged special access projects 436 00:19:07,570 --> 00:19:11,650 until '93 or '94, that period. 437 00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:13,577 Nor had I been read into, briefed 438 00:19:13,577 --> 00:19:15,910 on who they were, where they were, who was running them, 439 00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:17,350 why they were running them. 440 00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:22,340 By '93, '94, '95, I knew all that at that point. 441 00:19:22,340 --> 00:19:24,790 And so you know, began providing that information 442 00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,910 to members of Congress and world leaders 443 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:31,360 other places to get them informed 444 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,870 on what they should have never been lied to about, frankly. 445 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:36,880 And that meeting in 1995 was important, 446 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,300 because it was like the beginning nucleus of what later 447 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:43,420 become the congressional briefing that we did privately 448 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:48,100 in 1997, and then the big Disclosure Project 449 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,510 event in 2001. 450 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:51,780 But what I ran into-- 451 00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:53,580 just like with Clinton-- 452 00:19:53,580 --> 00:19:56,010 nobody wanted to take this on. 453 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:59,490 They were either afraid or they were afraid of being ridiculed, 454 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:04,260 or they were just afraid of having a wetworks team-- 455 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:07,020 wetworks are assassination teams at the CIA-- 456 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:08,620 take them out. 457 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:10,710 So that was actually the genesis of this, 458 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:12,450 and it was called Project Starlight. 459 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:14,640 BILLY: Now, you've interviewed a lot of high-profile people. 460 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,950 You've had meetings with a lot of high-profile people. 461 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:19,207 They've disclosed a lot of information to you. 462 00:20:19,207 --> 00:20:20,790 How much of that do you think is real, 463 00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:24,240 and how much do you think may have been false information? 464 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,600 GREER: Well, just to be clear, the people I've met with who 465 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,170 are senior people in government here and in other countries, 466 00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:35,860 ministers of defense or what have you, those were people-- 467 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:36,840 [LAUGHS] 468 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,450 I would say if I'm called in for a meeting, 469 00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:41,820 I'm the last stop on the F train, 470 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:45,210 because they've been sidelined. 471 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:50,130 Now, that's separate from the now 980-plus 472 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:53,280 military intelligence corporate witnesses 473 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,090 and whistleblowers who give me information. 474 00:20:56,090 --> 00:21:01,740 So those people-- luckily, we have a big enough database 475 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:04,920 that, for example, we had one person who 476 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,550 was going to do one of the presentations, 477 00:21:08,550 --> 00:21:12,660 because he had been in an aerospace company, 478 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:16,890 at the 1997 briefings for Congress. 479 00:21:16,890 --> 00:21:21,600 And I discovered through Edgar Mitchell 480 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,960 that this man was embellishing. 481 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,680 And my military advisor and Edgar Mitchell 482 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,640 were at a bar later at night. 483 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,830 And I busy, running all this. 484 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:39,010 And this man started telling what I think 485 00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:42,970 were initially true things, but then he 486 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:47,410 went off telling stories that they both knew 487 00:21:47,410 --> 00:21:49,540 were fact-checkably false. 488 00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:52,450 So they contacted me, and I had him escorted out 489 00:21:52,450 --> 00:21:53,900 of the premises. 490 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,860 So if someone comes with some grand story that 491 00:21:56,860 --> 00:22:00,040 doesn't hold together, you know, I'm not going to include that. 492 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,830 Or if, in fact, they're not able to provide their credentials. 493 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:09,340 Some of the ones who've surfaced have amazing accounts, 494 00:22:09,340 --> 00:22:11,290 but there's no corroboration. 495 00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:15,430 So if it's an incredible story but there are no corroborating 496 00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:18,820 whistleblowers, evidence, documents, badges, 497 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:21,530 checkable things, I don't include it. 498 00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:24,412 So if someone comes forward who's 499 00:22:24,412 --> 00:22:26,680 a professional disinformation agent, 500 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,230 but I get him to talk about the military staging abductions, 501 00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:34,280 if it was only him that had said that to me, 502 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,440 I would have discounted it. 503 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,330 But I have at least a dozen people 504 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:40,240 who he doesn't know who have told me very similar-- 505 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,220 the modus operandi, how it's done, 506 00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:44,560 who's done, why they do it. 507 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,235 So that's how we build our information nexus that way. 508 00:22:48,235 --> 00:22:50,110 BILLY: You kind of built your own database. 509 00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:52,533 And you can always fall back on and check stories 510 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:53,950 against other people's information 511 00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:55,720 as well as verifying credentials. 512 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,560 That's fantastic. 513 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,570 GREER: Basically, our group is its own private, whistleblower, 514 00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:03,700 intelligence gathering organization 515 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,280 that went from a dozen people who 516 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,380 had been in these programs that had 517 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:12,227 top secret involvement to now hundreds that are legitimate. 518 00:23:12,227 --> 00:23:13,060 BILLY: Incredible. 519 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:13,390 GREER: Yeah. 520 00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:15,640 BILLY: Dr. Greer, what other outstanding information 521 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,780 have you come across? 522 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:20,900 GREER: Yeah, you know, it's so much, the archive 523 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,370 and the meetings. 524 00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:25,770 You figure almost 1,000 people who 525 00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:27,270 are whistleblowers who have given me 526 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:28,680 information, documents. 527 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,410 Early on, I had a very interesting person approach 528 00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:34,150 me-- 529 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:35,830 and I still have the original envelope 530 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:37,120 this was sent to me in-- 531 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:41,230 who sent me a top secret document, not declassified, 532 00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:44,770 that he got out of the vault at the National Security Agency 533 00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:49,450 that is a wiretap summary signed by James Jesus Angleton 534 00:23:49,450 --> 00:23:52,750 III who was the big mole hunter at the CIA 535 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:54,550 back in the early '60s. 536 00:23:54,550 --> 00:23:57,850 And then this is dated 1962, August. 537 00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:03,340 And it's a wiretap of Marilyn Monroe threatening 538 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:05,680 Bobby Kennedy, the attorney general, 539 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,680 and telling her friend Rothberg, an art 540 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,170 dealer in New York, that she was going to hold a press 541 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:14,980 conference to tell the world what President Kennedy had told 542 00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:19,570 her about the objects from outer space recovered in New 543 00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:23,080 Mexico in the 1940s, et cetera. 544 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,480 And it has Project Moondust on it. 545 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,130 Now, this has not been declassified. 546 00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:29,290 And I got it and I published it. 547 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:32,560 And you take that-- and I have hundreds 548 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,910 and hundreds and hundreds of documents like that. 549 00:24:34,910 --> 00:24:38,740 But this man had been involved very early on, his family, 550 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:42,310 in the running, founding of the National Security Agency. 551 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:46,360 Used to be called No Such Agency Exists, because it 552 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,850 was initially not acknowledged. 553 00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:52,360 And it was interesting, because when I showed-- 554 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,930 there was an old actor and singer named Burl Ives. 555 00:24:55,930 --> 00:24:57,730 A lot of people may remember him. 556 00:24:57,730 --> 00:25:00,010 And he and his wife, Dorothy, were very supportive, 557 00:25:00,010 --> 00:25:01,600 interested in what we were doing. 558 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,270 So he was getting elderly, so I went to his home 559 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:08,050 and sat on the edge of his bed and showed him this document, 560 00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:12,100 because he had told me he was friends with Marilyn Monroe 561 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,590 when she died or was killed. 562 00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:18,010 And they knew she had been murdered, 563 00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:20,950 and it wasn't an accidental overdose of drugs, 564 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:22,160 but they never knew why. 565 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,880 So I gave Burl Ives this document. 566 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,410 And he went, oh my god. 567 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:30,640 This is why I said yes, because they had wiretapped her 568 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,340 and they were following what she was doing. 569 00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:34,630 This was early '60s. 570 00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:38,890 I think President Kennedy knew that that was a hit, 571 00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:41,560 and he was very unhappy about it. 572 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,030 He didn't order it. it would have 573 00:25:43,030 --> 00:25:47,450 been beyond the presidential level of activity. 574 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:53,290 And I think that at that point, it became clear to me 575 00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:57,190 when I got that document that there are a lot of people who 576 00:25:57,190 --> 00:26:01,120 have vanished who were on the process of blowing 577 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,240 the whistle on some things who, if they had done so, 578 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,760 were so prominent that the whole world would have watched. 579 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,610 And unfortunately, that cost Marilyn Monroe her life. 580 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:14,410 BILLY: Wow. 581 00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:15,250 Incredible. 582 00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:16,960 Isn't it something that every time we 583 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,130 have someone that is just about to give the information, 584 00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:25,240 right on the precipice, just about to put it out there, 585 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,620 something always happens to them? 586 00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:28,787 GREER: Well, the only people who were cleared like 587 00:26:28,787 --> 00:26:31,840 in the mainstream media to talk about this-- 588 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,270 in big media you see all the time right now-- 589 00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:37,480 are people that the intelligence community wants them on those 590 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,120 shows because they almost always spin 591 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,660 this in the direction of a national security threat, 592 00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:46,510 or something that the military industrial complex can 593 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:47,860 make a lot of money on. 594 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:50,290 So how do you grow that whole industry? 595 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:52,930 Instead of fighting one little country 596 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:57,100 in the Middle East against us, move it up to space. 597 00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,160 I'm giving a hint of the future episodes. 598 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,910 That's what that's all about. 599 00:27:01,910 --> 00:27:05,830 So the whole thing happening now in the media on Disclosure 600 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:10,360 is what I called the disclosure that serves secrecy. 601 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,187 I wrote a paper in 1999 by that title. 602 00:27:13,187 --> 00:27:14,770 BILLY: So Dr. Greer, what is the end 603 00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:16,210 result of this initiative? 604 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:18,490 And why do you think you had so much access 605 00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:22,553 to high-level individuals in the intelligence communities? 606 00:27:22,553 --> 00:27:24,220 GREER: Well, that is a great question. 607 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:25,803 You know, I think a lot of it was just 608 00:27:25,803 --> 00:27:30,210 networking, people who were sympathetic to the calls 609 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:31,740 of universal peace. 610 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:33,600 I mean, the motto of our organization 611 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,060 is one universe, one people. 612 00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:40,290 And we should view ourselves as all one expression 613 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:43,920 of the great being, and that the conscious spirit within us 614 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,310 and extraterrestrial people is the same. 615 00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:48,455 It's a singularity. 616 00:27:48,455 --> 00:27:49,830 And there are a lot of people who 617 00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:53,580 are very concerned, who've been in these classified projects, 618 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:56,850 that this whole endeavor has been taken 619 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:59,550 in a very destructive direction, which 620 00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:01,680 would lead to an extinction-level event 621 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,030 for the Earth and humanity. 622 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,672 And I think that that's why they have been very supportive. 623 00:28:06,672 --> 00:28:08,880 But there are other people who really want to hold on 624 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,950 to that threat narrative. 625 00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:14,700 But the friendly people will open a lot of doors 626 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:19,350 if you're doing things credibly and with a higher purpose. 627 00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:21,570 So you know, obviously, I have a lot of enemies 628 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:24,010 and I have a lot of friends [LAUGHS] in various places. 629 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:25,530 And I think that's what happens. 630 00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:30,013 And then people who want senior officials to know, they set up 631 00:28:30,013 --> 00:28:30,930 those meetings for me. 632 00:28:30,930 --> 00:28:32,950 I never do a cold call. 633 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:35,520 So I don't contact a member of the Senate Intelligence 634 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,070 Committee and say, would you like a briefing? 635 00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:41,200 Their people or someone who knows them reaches out to me. 636 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,548 That's how the CIA director meeting happened. 637 00:28:43,548 --> 00:28:45,090 That's how the meetings have happened 638 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,740 with Ministers of Defense of Canada 639 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:48,810 and Great Britain and Australia. 640 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:49,930 It's just how it happens. 641 00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:50,730 BILLY: Yeah. 642 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:52,530 Dr. Greer, thank you very much for this interview. 643 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:53,335 It was great. 644 00:28:53,335 --> 00:28:54,210 GREER: My pleasure. 645 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:55,320 BILLY: I'm Billy Carson. 646 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,790 Thank you for watching "Disclosure" with Dr. Steven 647 00:28:57,790 --> 00:28:58,590 Greer. 648 00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:02,200 [MUSIC PLAYING]