1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,437 [RUMBLING] 2 00:00:04,910 --> 00:00:08,347 [MUSIC PLAYING] 3 00:00:19,558 --> 00:00:21,100 BILLY CARSON: Welcome to "Disclosure" 4 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:22,510 with Dr. Steven Greer. 5 00:00:22,510 --> 00:00:25,600 In this episode, we discuss unacknowledged Special Access 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,740 Programs. 7 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:28,020 Dr. Greer, welcome. 8 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:29,270 STEVEN GREER: Glad to be here. 9 00:00:29,270 --> 00:00:30,170 Thank you. 10 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:33,160 BILLY: Dr. Greer, what are unacknowledged Special Access 11 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,330 Programs? 12 00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:36,680 GREER: Yeah, this is confusing to a lot of people, 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,350 including some of the senior folks 14 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:40,270 in the government I've briefed. 15 00:00:40,270 --> 00:00:42,490 Special Access Projects are ones that you just 16 00:00:42,490 --> 00:00:45,010 have to be clear to. 17 00:00:45,010 --> 00:00:49,780 You can have a confidential secret or top secret clearance, 18 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:51,100 but that isn't what matters. 19 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:54,190 It's what you're clear to for a Special Access Project. 20 00:00:54,190 --> 00:00:57,580 The unacknowledged ones are what the pop culture call black. 21 00:00:57,580 --> 00:00:58,570 They're off the books. 22 00:00:58,570 --> 00:00:59,890 They're off the record. 23 00:00:59,890 --> 00:01:03,400 And they're hermetically sealed from anyone not in them. 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,310 So to give you an example, one of my military advisors 25 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:09,220 had been in an unacknowledged Special Access Project. 26 00:01:09,220 --> 00:01:11,590 Let's call it USAP for short, so we don't have 27 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:12,940 to keep saying the whole term. 28 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:13,450 BILLY: Yeah. 29 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:14,867 GREER: And the way that worked, it 30 00:01:14,867 --> 00:01:16,840 was a $2 or $3 billion project. 31 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,520 It was off books, black money. 32 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,640 There was an admiral who headed it up. 33 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,420 And the instructions were he was taken into an underground SCIF, 34 00:01:25,420 --> 00:01:28,330 Secure Communication Information Facility, 35 00:01:28,330 --> 00:01:31,800 and everyone had all their weapons and electronics taken. 36 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,310 They went underground. 37 00:01:33,310 --> 00:01:35,500 A security officer was the only one 38 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:39,040 with a gun, pulled out the clip, pulled out a button and-- 39 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,520 a bullet and said, this bullet has your name on it 40 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,980 if you tell anyone, including your CO, about this project. 41 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:53,360 It doesn't exist except for the people in this room. 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,680 That's how those run. 43 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,330 So that is how they are structured and maintain 44 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:01,580 very, very strict secrecy. 45 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:05,720 Now, it's beyond just a normal top secret program. 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,419 The unacknowledged Special Access Projects, 47 00:02:08,419 --> 00:02:10,520 which I learned about in the early '90s, 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,300 are really how you structure both corporate and government 49 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:16,640 programs dealing with a number of issues. 50 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,940 But the biggest one, the crown jewel of all the USAPs, 51 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:22,700 are extraterrestrial intelligence, UFOs, 52 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:25,070 the technologies associated with them, 53 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:26,760 the energy systems, propulsion systems. 54 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,560 BILLY: Wow. 55 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,750 Would this be similar to like when 56 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:32,840 you hear these great numbers, like $4 trillion missing, 57 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,480 $10 trillion missing from the budget? 58 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,310 I remember Donald Rumsfeld having 59 00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:39,000 to answer to this one time. 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,550 GREER: The reality of it is we're 61 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:44,030 estimating now it's anywhere from $8 to $20 trillion 62 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:47,840 that have gone into those operations 63 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,860 over many, many decades. 64 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:53,190 And a lot of it is, of course, from very creative sources 65 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:53,990 of funding. 66 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:55,448 We can get into that. 67 00:02:55,448 --> 00:02:57,240 But the structure of it's what's important. 68 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,080 Most people don't understand the architecture of secrecy. 69 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,890 For example, I briefed an admiral 70 00:03:03,890 --> 00:03:06,800 once who knew about USAPs. 71 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,020 But the USAPs dealing with the UFO and ET 72 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:11,450 issue, he was denied access to. 73 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:14,930 And when I gave him a document that had the project code names 74 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:18,590 and numbers on them, he looked into it, 75 00:03:18,590 --> 00:03:21,960 and was basically told he didn't have a need to know. 76 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,700 And this guy was the head of intelligence 77 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:24,950 for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 78 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:26,520 We'll get to this later. 79 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,920 So I think that-- 80 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:31,160 there's sort of the public and the media sort of compounds 81 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,100 this by acting like the high school civics lesson 82 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:35,870 we have, where there's the president, 83 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:38,810 there's the Congress, there's the Supreme Court. 84 00:03:38,810 --> 00:03:40,535 The commander in chief is the president 85 00:03:40,535 --> 00:03:43,880 and has an all-access pass to everything. 86 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,060 That's true on most issues. 87 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,790 It is not true on the UFO and ET issue, 88 00:03:49,790 --> 00:03:53,660 and has not been since about 1956 89 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:57,650 to '59, when Eisenhower, President Eisenhower, 90 00:03:57,650 --> 00:04:00,710 lost control over these operations. 91 00:04:00,710 --> 00:04:04,310 And that's when this super top secret program 92 00:04:04,310 --> 00:04:07,580 started and pretty much left the president 93 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:10,700 and many senior officials in the government who 94 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:11,940 should know out of the loop. 95 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:12,740 BILLY: Wow. 96 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:16,130 GREER: Another example-- some directors for the CIA are read 97 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:17,450 into or briefed-- 98 00:04:17,450 --> 00:04:19,290 read into means briefed-- 99 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:20,420 these projects. 100 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:23,120 For example, George H.W. Bush was. 101 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,070 The CIA director I briefed, Woolsey, 102 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:28,220 had not been because they didn't trust him with the information, 103 00:04:28,220 --> 00:04:30,330 and he hadn't come up through the system. 104 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:31,310 That's how those work. 105 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:34,160 And I got pulled into that world from people 106 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,940 who were in those projects back around 1992, '93. 107 00:04:37,940 --> 00:04:40,730 So if these USAPs don't fall under regular government 108 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:44,390 oversight, then who has control over these black budget 109 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:45,950 projects? 110 00:04:45,950 --> 00:04:50,690 Well, these projects are overseen by a committee, 111 00:04:50,690 --> 00:04:51,860 you know, the recent-- 112 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:54,170 you heard about the MJ-12 committee 113 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,570 back in the Truman era. 114 00:04:56,570 --> 00:05:01,130 There are a number of splinters from that in the last 70 years. 115 00:05:01,130 --> 00:05:03,710 The one that's most currently known 116 00:05:03,710 --> 00:05:06,860 is Maj-IC the Majority Intelligence Committee. 117 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:09,500 Now, that entity works with a lot 118 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:12,530 of corporate and other folks and it's transnational. 119 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:14,270 The other thing I need to mention here, 120 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:17,420 these are not US government programs per se. 121 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:20,150 Go and look at the globe from space. 122 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:24,980 There are no boundaries drawn on it, say, in Russia, China, US. 123 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:27,140 The group that runs these programs is 124 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:31,700 truly transnational-- transcends international boundaries. 125 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:35,000 So people think international, UN, State Department. 126 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,280 This is kind of more a sub rosa underneath project. 127 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,070 And they have representation and operations, 128 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:45,980 and most of the significant countries 129 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:48,650 in the world that are advanced enough technologically, 130 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:52,370 financially to be deemed of significance. 131 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:55,520 When I met with Senator John Warner's chief of staff, 132 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,250 he, we knew, was a member of this committee 133 00:05:58,250 --> 00:06:02,870 with President George H. W. Bush and CIA director Bush. 134 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:04,820 And his chief of staff said, what 135 00:06:04,820 --> 00:06:08,360 makes you think the Senator isn't part of this, just 136 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,830 flat out, and doesn't know? 137 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:11,510 I said, I know that he does, but he 138 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:13,177 needs to be on the right side of history 139 00:06:13,177 --> 00:06:15,020 because this is a criminal enterprise. 140 00:06:15,020 --> 00:06:16,650 It is unconstitutional. 141 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:18,170 It is illegal. 142 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:19,190 And we can prove that. 143 00:06:19,190 --> 00:06:23,300 If anyone wants to contest this, let's take this to court, 144 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:26,360 because we will subpoena the people I have briefed in senior 145 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,870 positions who absolutely should have known about these projects 146 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:30,750 who don't. 147 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:33,470 So that's a complete breakdown of the Constitution. 148 00:06:33,470 --> 00:06:38,580 But there's a very specific nuance to this particular area, 149 00:06:38,580 --> 00:06:41,370 and it's specific to unacknowledged Special Access 150 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:42,170 Projects. 151 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:45,380 And the people who actually control them are not 152 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:47,900 just what we would call government officials, 153 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:49,065 they're in government. 154 00:06:49,065 --> 00:06:49,940 They're in corporate. 155 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:51,020 They're in finance. 156 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:53,270 They're in various walks of life. 157 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:57,710 And they work together to sort of maintain the status 158 00:06:57,710 --> 00:07:00,360 quo of the way the world runs. 159 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,430 And here's why. 160 00:07:01,430 --> 00:07:04,550 Back in the '50s when we hit pay dirt-- 161 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:08,150 reverse engineering, and studying so-called anti-gravity 162 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:09,230 systems-- 163 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:12,710 that, by the way, was mastered in October 1954. 164 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:14,280 Everybody remember that date-- 165 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,220 October 1954. 166 00:07:16,220 --> 00:07:21,050 So all internal combustion engines, surface roads, jets, 167 00:07:21,050 --> 00:07:25,970 rockets, public utilities, on and on, nuclear power plants, 168 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:29,240 have not been needed since October 1954. 169 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,490 Now, that's hundreds of trillions of dollars, 170 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:32,330 literally. 171 00:07:32,330 --> 00:07:36,380 So that's the issue, is that it's a macroeconomic problem. 172 00:07:36,380 --> 00:07:38,752 It's a strategic problem. 173 00:07:38,752 --> 00:07:40,460 And there are a lot of powerful interests 174 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:44,780 who don't want to see all those assets go 175 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:46,220 the way of the dinosaur. 176 00:07:46,220 --> 00:07:48,080 Because when this knowledge and with it 177 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,830 the technology comes out, it's a new world. 178 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:53,600 It's like the ET said to Colonel Corso, 179 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,670 "It's a new world if you can take it." 180 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:58,460 So we should have taken it in the '50s and we didn't. 181 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:02,510 Now we're facing massive crises in the environment 182 00:08:02,510 --> 00:08:04,730 and geopolitically and elsewhere. 183 00:08:04,730 --> 00:08:06,170 But it's fixable. 184 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:08,210 And I always tell people, good news 185 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:10,940 is we have the solutions to all these problems. 186 00:08:10,940 --> 00:08:13,760 The bad news is, they are in unacknowledged projects, 187 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,850 and lethal force has been used to keep them secret. 188 00:08:16,850 --> 00:08:18,480 BILLY: Wow, incredible. 189 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,280 It's amazing. 190 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,980 I just-- at some point, we have to realize 191 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:25,400 that we've got to just wake up and release these 192 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,510 to the general population. 193 00:08:26,510 --> 00:08:28,250 I guess that's what your mission here is. 194 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:29,060 GREER: Yes. 195 00:08:29,060 --> 00:08:33,409 I mean, my main purpose is creating ambassadors 196 00:08:33,409 --> 00:08:37,530 to the universe in consciousness, and in fact, 197 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:39,049 with these civilizations. 198 00:08:39,049 --> 00:08:42,980 But to get there I realized along the way 199 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:45,570 I kind of got into this effort and started 200 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:46,820 the whole disclosure movement. 201 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:50,120 Because what I realized was if we make contact 202 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,080 with these civilizations, but then covert use apps 203 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,080 shoot them down or do worse things, 204 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,260 then we have to do all this together. 205 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:04,370 And excuse the salty language, but when 206 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:06,740 I was sitting with Senator Barry Goldwater, who 207 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:09,920 was the senior Senator from Arizona who ran for president 208 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,830 in 1964, I was at his home. 209 00:09:12,830 --> 00:09:15,350 And Senator Goldwater said, look, 210 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:17,870 it was a goddamn mistake then and a goddamn mistake 211 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:20,960 now that this was ever kept secret. 212 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,950 But he told me he was denied access to these projects. 213 00:09:24,950 --> 00:09:27,170 And when he asked General Curtis LeMay about it, 214 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:29,600 who was chief of Staff of the Air Force 215 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,508 and a good friend of his, he said, 216 00:09:31,508 --> 00:09:33,800 get me into the Blue Room at Wright Patterson Air Force 217 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,600 base, where all the ET remains and stuff were kept back then. 218 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Curtis LeMay, General LeMay turned to him and said, 219 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,160 Barry, I can't even get into that area anymore. 220 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,700 And if you ever ask me about this again, 221 00:09:46,700 --> 00:09:50,450 I will personally see that you are court-martialed out 222 00:09:50,450 --> 00:09:51,830 of the Air Force reserves. 223 00:09:51,830 --> 00:09:54,200 I'm sitting in Senator Goldwater's living room, 224 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,620 and he's retired from the Senate, in his '80s. 225 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:57,870 And I'm going, was he serious? 226 00:09:57,870 --> 00:10:00,050 He said, he was serious as a heart attack. 227 00:10:00,050 --> 00:10:03,800 And so in my meetings with all these sort of people 228 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,930 all over the world, what I found is 229 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:08,750 that the sort of conspiracy theories 230 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:11,180 of who is in and who's out and how this runs 231 00:10:11,180 --> 00:10:13,070 is always inaccurate. 232 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:15,470 And what I've tried to do is bring some clarity to it. 233 00:10:15,470 --> 00:10:17,480 Because it's not helpful to paint 234 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,940 the whole government or the whole CIA 235 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:22,250 or the whole Pentagon with that brush. 236 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:25,280 It's got to be more detailed. 237 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,070 People need to have a more complete understanding 238 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:30,260 of how these projects operate. 239 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:32,810 BILLY: So Dr. Greer, do other countries 240 00:10:32,810 --> 00:10:35,780 operate on the same exact premise like what you just 241 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:36,840 described? 242 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,980 GREER: Yes, I mean, the system of USAPs is replicated, 243 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:43,040 as I said, transnationally. 244 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,690 It's not just a US effort. 245 00:10:44,690 --> 00:10:48,080 The center of gravity for it is the United States 246 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,700 because of our military power, economic power, technology. 247 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:55,820 But there are corollaries and associates 248 00:10:55,820 --> 00:10:58,530 of this operation in all the other countries, 249 00:10:58,530 --> 00:11:02,600 including China, Russia, Great Britain, Australia, all around. 250 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,060 So in other countries, occasionally you'll 251 00:11:05,060 --> 00:11:07,490 see an effort, like in France. 252 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:09,620 The government of France, the Ministry of Defense, 253 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:13,070 wanted to learn to make peaceful contact with the ETs. 254 00:11:13,070 --> 00:11:14,750 And they were going forward-- 255 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:15,830 Admiral Moran. 256 00:11:15,830 --> 00:11:21,380 And it was an admiral and an MD and also a PhD in physics 257 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:23,780 set this up under President Sarkozy. 258 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:26,090 We went over there, did a CE5 event. 259 00:11:26,090 --> 00:11:27,200 Amazing what happened. 260 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,340 Unbelievable. 261 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:32,150 But when the process of that was going on, 262 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:35,570 their ambassador from France to the United States, 263 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:37,370 was approached by an intelligence operative 264 00:11:37,370 --> 00:11:40,973 and threatened and told point blank, don't do this. 265 00:11:40,973 --> 00:11:42,890 And they said, we're going to do it in France. 266 00:11:42,890 --> 00:11:44,150 It's none of your business. 267 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:46,812 And they said, yes, but don't get anywhere near a US asset 268 00:11:46,812 --> 00:11:48,020 or you're going to regret it. 269 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:50,580 And it was this back and forth and back and forth. 270 00:11:50,580 --> 00:11:53,720 So even though that was coming from a top admiral 271 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,420 in the Ministry of Defense of France, 272 00:11:56,420 --> 00:12:01,040 he was not read into the unacknowledged operations 273 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,910 even in his own country. 274 00:12:02,910 --> 00:12:04,533 So that's one of the problems. 275 00:12:04,533 --> 00:12:06,200 The same is true in America, by the way. 276 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,370 The generals, admirals I met with in this country, 277 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:12,380 if I met with them, it's usually because they've 278 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:15,358 made an inquiry through channels on this 279 00:12:15,358 --> 00:12:17,900 and have been basically told, we're not telling you anything, 280 00:12:17,900 --> 00:12:18,895 or lied to. 281 00:12:18,895 --> 00:12:20,270 And most of them are smart enough 282 00:12:20,270 --> 00:12:21,320 to know they're being lied to. 283 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,950 BILLY: Right, right. 284 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:23,840 So they haven't fully been briefed and to say-- 285 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,010 GREER: They haven't been briefed at all. 286 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:25,410 BILLY: Haven't been briefed. 287 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:25,970 GREER: Not at all. 288 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:26,990 Not fully-- forget it. 289 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:29,150 They can't get-- they were not even shown where the washroom 290 00:12:29,150 --> 00:12:29,510 is-- 291 00:12:29,510 --> 00:12:30,070 BILLY: Wow, incredible. 292 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:31,070 GREER: --in these USAPs. 293 00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:33,167 BILLY: And so the other countries are basically-- 294 00:12:33,167 --> 00:12:35,000 sometimes are they in collusion, or are they 295 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,650 all operating individually? 296 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:39,890 GREER: No, they all were cooperative on this issue. 297 00:12:39,890 --> 00:12:44,420 So interestingly, back in the early days, there was a-- 298 00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:45,765 they had a tap on my phone. 299 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,015 It was when you had landlines. 300 00:12:47,015 --> 00:12:48,110 Remember the old days? 301 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:48,910 BILLY: Oh, yeah. 302 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:52,970 GREER: And I picked up my phone, and they made a mistake 303 00:12:52,970 --> 00:12:55,220 and left the hookup to the satellite, 304 00:12:55,220 --> 00:12:57,290 and I could hear the control room. 305 00:12:57,290 --> 00:13:00,200 And I listened for a minute and heard everyone speak, 306 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,330 and it was like a United Nations of different people. 307 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:06,830 And finally I said, who is this? 308 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:09,710 And a woman came on, very thick foreign accent. 309 00:13:09,710 --> 00:13:11,810 I couldn't tell-- could have been Middle Eastern. 310 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:12,980 And said, oh, my God. 311 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:13,790 It's Mr. Greer. 312 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:14,590 And I was so mad. 313 00:13:14,590 --> 00:13:16,880 I said, Dr. Greer to you. 314 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,090 But I was irritated then because I didn't 315 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:23,000 like being surveyed that way. 316 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,430 But-- and it's like Karl Wolfe, our witness, 317 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:29,510 disclosure witness, was at Langley Air Force base 318 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:33,410 when we were downloading the digital images in 1968 319 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:34,250 from the moon. 320 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:37,160 And he saw all the-- there were old structures and newer 321 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,400 structures already there before we landed. 322 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,028 And when he saw that, he knew he wasn't 323 00:13:42,028 --> 00:13:43,070 supposed to be seeing it. 324 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:46,520 It was a top secret-- but he said the area literally 325 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,350 was like a UN of people. 326 00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:49,850 There were people there from China-- 327 00:13:49,850 --> 00:13:51,260 now, this is in the '60s-- 328 00:13:51,260 --> 00:13:53,420 Russia, other countries, and they're 329 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:57,380 all working in this highly classified SCIF-- 330 00:13:57,380 --> 00:14:00,320 again, Secure Communication Information Facility-- 331 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,900 where they were downloading the early digital pictures 332 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:06,200 as the lunar orbiter took pictures around the moon. 333 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,150 And those were filtered before they went 334 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:09,860 to the mainstream NASA people. 335 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:14,900 The problem gets to be, how did that develop? 336 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:16,890 Well, it developed in the '50s and '60s. 337 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:17,690 BILLY: Incredible. 338 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:18,930 Absolutely incredible. 339 00:14:18,930 --> 00:14:21,050 So Dr., let's unpack this just a little bit more, 340 00:14:21,050 --> 00:14:22,633 because I think a lot of people really 341 00:14:22,633 --> 00:14:25,400 want to know the underlying basis of how this actually 342 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,770 works. 343 00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:27,570 GREER: OK. 344 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:31,530 So I think if you want to visualize it this way, 345 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:36,930 it's a very classified, unacknowledged operation that 346 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:40,680 has cells and affiliates in various countries, 347 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,370 within other countries, corporations, intelligence 348 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:46,620 services, and governments. 349 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:50,820 But again, just like in America, there's not a need to know, 350 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:52,800 in the opinion of the committee running 351 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,430 this, for all presidents to know or to know fully 352 00:14:56,430 --> 00:14:59,140 what's happening, or senators or oversight. 353 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:01,690 So it's run the same way. 354 00:15:01,690 --> 00:15:05,320 It just-- you take that and replicate it around the globe. 355 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,110 It's just that not every country-- 356 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:10,400 for example, there are developing world countries 357 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,150 where there would not be a large presence. 358 00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:13,650 But there are some, like Brazil. 359 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:18,100 There's a very big facility in Brazil that's related to this. 360 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:21,450 So I think that there are these operations that 361 00:15:21,450 --> 00:15:23,370 are in various places-- 362 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:27,000 it's coordinated by an international group. 363 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,280 And that group is global. 364 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,130 But again, the center of gravity is in the United States. 365 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:35,130 So there would be elements of this operating even 366 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:36,570 in China and Russia. 367 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:38,970 But that's not where the center of control is. 368 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:40,890 They are representative in it. 369 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:44,430 But it's where the big powerhouse of technology, 370 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,240 reverse engineering has happened that's really critical, 371 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,490 and that is the United States. 372 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:53,550 My understanding from people who worked with Eisenhower 373 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:56,340 that I've spoken with who were in the White House with him, 374 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:59,820 is that he lost control of it because he wanted 375 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:04,470 to have a rapprochement, a sort of a peaceful relationship 376 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:09,030 with the ETs in the whole nuclear Cold War craziness, 377 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:11,220 and go forward as a civilization. 378 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:14,190 The people who benefit mightily from the status 379 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:17,310 quo of the petrodollar system, the oil 380 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:19,170 system, and the weapons-- 381 00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:22,170 the military industrial complex, as Eisen called it, 382 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:23,700 didn't want that to happen. 383 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,200 So all that evolved. 384 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,100 And now we're at-- 385 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,920 what, we're at 70-some years past-- 386 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,760 or 60-plus years past where this got totally out of control. 387 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,520 And that was why Eisenhower made that famous speech when 388 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,530 he left office, the day he left office in 1961. 389 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:39,330 [VIDEO PLAYBACK] 390 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:41,230 In the councils of government, 391 00:16:41,230 --> 00:16:45,060 we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted 392 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:49,050 influence, whether sought or unsought by the military 393 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:50,020 industrial complex." 394 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:50,820 [END PLAYBACK] 395 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:52,800 And this sort of secrecy-- and he was talking about extreme 396 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,740 secrecy-- 397 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:56,190 could be a threat to democracy and our way of life. 398 00:16:56,190 --> 00:16:57,870 Now, remember, this is a Republican 399 00:16:57,870 --> 00:17:00,810 and a five-star general and a World War II hero. 400 00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:03,330 And I also remind people Senator Inouye, 401 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:07,200 who said there exists a secret government with its own Air 402 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,780 Force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism, that is free 403 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:14,970 from the law and above the law itself. 404 00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:16,890 I'm paraphrasing, but you can-- you'll see it. 405 00:17:16,890 --> 00:17:18,910 It's pretty much exactly that. 406 00:17:18,910 --> 00:17:20,670 And he was correct. 407 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:24,880 BILLY: Sounds much like the JFK speech about secret societies. 408 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,680 GREER: Yes. 409 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:25,920 BILLY: Yeah. 410 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,550 GREER: Yeah. 411 00:17:26,550 --> 00:17:27,350 Yeah. 412 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:30,450 So there's a lot of interest in these programs 413 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:33,240 and representation from other, let's call them 414 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,880 non-governmental covert programs, 415 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,990 and including corporate. 416 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:39,540 There's a very large representation 417 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:43,590 in this in certain elements of finance and banking, 418 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:46,170 as well as technology. 419 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:48,300 You look at the aerospace industry. 420 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:51,000 You know, Boeing has jets you fly on, 421 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,750 but they have an unacknowledged engineering research division. 422 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,810 Lockheed Skunk Works-- same thing. 423 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,240 They're the things you know about, like the old U2 spy 424 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,370 plane and things with jets, and then there 425 00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:03,930 the classified technologies. 426 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:04,740 And it's a hybrid. 427 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:06,198 One thing I want to say-- it's sort 428 00:18:06,198 --> 00:18:11,040 of a hybrid between governmental and corporate and private 429 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,180 interests. 430 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:15,480 And interestingly, if you approach it-- 431 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,030 say, you're an investigator. 432 00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:21,570 You're approaching it from a governmental point of view, 433 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:23,860 a corporate entity will say, this is proprietary. 434 00:18:23,860 --> 00:18:24,660 BILLY: Right. 435 00:18:24,660 --> 00:18:25,460 Exactly. 436 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:30,240 GREER: If you approach it from a private point of view, 437 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,020 that angle, it's a top secret, unacknowledged project 438 00:18:34,020 --> 00:18:35,500 you don't have access to. 439 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,850 So it's sort of hermetically sealed off, like a silo, 440 00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:40,080 from other operations. 441 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Now, every once in a while, there's 442 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,650 someone that I meet who-- 443 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:45,030 and this is recent-- 444 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,100 a man who is in the technology management 445 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:51,000 office of the sub-basement in the Pentagon from 2002 446 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,790 until 2012, who had baseline clearance across 16 of these 447 00:18:56,790 --> 00:18:58,950 unacknowledged Special Access Projects. 448 00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:01,140 And so he's provided me an enormous amount 449 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:04,930 of intelligence and information on more current operations 450 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:05,730 that I have. 451 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:07,320 BILLY: Dr. Greer, a lot of witnesses 452 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,210 have come forward to speak to you, 453 00:19:09,210 --> 00:19:12,990 and there's one particular witness that you call GA. 454 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:15,340 Can you tell us a little bit more about that? 455 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:16,140 GREER: Yes. 456 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:18,840 This gentleman approached me, and I referred to him 457 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,630 a moment ago, who was in the technology management office, 458 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:26,280 and some of the most amazing information we've received. 459 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,020 I've met with him personally, and he 460 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:32,520 wrote me and sent me his badges, proof of who and where he was. 461 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,350 And interestingly, it was a man who 462 00:19:34,350 --> 00:19:36,690 spent his career in the military, 463 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:40,200 retired, never had heard of an unacknowledged Special Access 464 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,100 Project, then got recruited as a civilian. 465 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:47,640 And when he was taken into that civilian role, 466 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,130 he was read into these projects because he 467 00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:52,770 was part of the criminal investigative division, 468 00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:57,750 and had to do a investigation into a security breach. 469 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:59,190 And there was a general-- 470 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:04,140 three-star-- who took an unauthorized girlfriend 471 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:09,270 into a SCIF near Fort Sill in Lawton, Oklahoma. 472 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:12,570 And there's an underground base there, 473 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:15,060 what's called a DUMB, Deep Underground Military Base 474 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:19,860 facility, where they were studying the cloaking mechanism 475 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:21,670 of an ET craft there. 476 00:20:21,670 --> 00:20:25,320 This woman was an executive with Booz Allen Hamilton, 477 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,130 and wanted to get the contract to further that research, 478 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:31,870 but she wasn't cleared to that level. 479 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:36,120 And so the general took his paramour in, 480 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,680 and it became a big problem. 481 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,090 Because in his romantic association, 482 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:45,120 she sort of convinced him to take her in so 483 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,760 that her company could get a leg up on the contract 484 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,740 and bid on this. 485 00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:52,740 What happened in the course of his investigation 486 00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:56,280 is that he had to get read into a whole lot 487 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,080 of different places. 488 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,470 And that ended up being baseline clearance, 489 00:21:01,470 --> 00:21:04,950 they call it, across 16 of these unacknowledged Special Access 490 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:05,760 Projects. 491 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,530 So that took him to other facilities. 492 00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:09,600 For example, there was a craft that 493 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,180 was downed by our electronic weapons systems 494 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:16,230 outside Seoul in the mountains of Korea. 495 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,570 That craft was so huge, they had to dig out 496 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:21,540 a whole huge hollowed out area of a mountain 497 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:23,310 to create its own SCIF. 498 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:26,070 And that's still there with this craft in it. 499 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:29,490 And then probably the most disturbing thing 500 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:32,130 he told me, which is something I already knew about, 501 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:34,170 but he gave me more details, and he 502 00:21:34,170 --> 00:21:37,860 was in the theater of operations for the invasion 503 00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:40,370 and war with Iraq. 504 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:45,290 And there was a satellite system that they could switch on, 505 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:50,270 and it would basically target a volume of airspace above Iraq. 506 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:54,670 And we would clear all of our allied helicopters, 507 00:21:54,670 --> 00:21:57,700 jets out of the area, switch the system on, 508 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,970 and every one of Saddam Hussein's jets and helicopters 509 00:22:00,970 --> 00:22:04,120 would drop to the ground, completely disabled. 510 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,610 That was when we first went into the Iraq war 511 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:08,050 in the early 2000s. 512 00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:12,220 He was there more recently before he left that command 513 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:16,990 at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, 514 00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:20,150 where there was another major generation of those. 515 00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:21,220 And so this is dangerous. 516 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:24,370 Because you have unacknowledged Special Access Projects 517 00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:26,920 that could hit the button on something 518 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,620 and cause all kinds of havoc and things 519 00:22:29,620 --> 00:22:32,000 that would be made to look alien. 520 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,800 All right? 521 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,592 So this is the key thing he was telling me. 522 00:22:34,592 --> 00:22:37,930 Now, I have dozens of people who have been in these interagency 523 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:42,190 committees or across these USAPs who told me about what this is. 524 00:22:42,190 --> 00:22:45,570 And that's been an operational plan since the '60s. 525 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:48,490 BILLY: So Dr. Greer, talking about the secrecy now, 526 00:22:48,490 --> 00:22:52,000 you had mentioned a rogue group in the Pentagon. 527 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,600 Can you tell us a little bit more about that? 528 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,220 GREER: Yes, well that's-- of course, 529 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:59,400 the unacknowledged Special Access Projects are all rogue 530 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,750 and they're all illegal. 531 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:04,770 Now, people say, what's the foundation of you saying this? 532 00:23:04,770 --> 00:23:08,370 I've taken many meetings with senior military officials. 533 00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:10,560 One of them was Admiral Tom Wilson. 534 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,690 I did do a briefing at the Pentagon. 535 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:17,610 It was a stand-up formal briefing in the admiral's 536 00:23:17,610 --> 00:23:20,280 office and conference area. 537 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,990 And he was the head of intelligence, 538 00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:23,400 Joint Chiefs of Staff. 539 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,530 So this is not just any old admiral. 540 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:28,290 And there were-- but this is someone 541 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:30,330 who would have been the head of intelligence 542 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:32,280 and putting intelligence briefings together 543 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,500 for the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the Pentagon. 544 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:39,430 He received from us a document, a briefing document. 545 00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:42,600 And one of the documents, the first document on the top, 546 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,270 is a National Reconnaissance Office document 547 00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:48,300 that is not declassified, but I got a copy of it, 548 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:50,880 and it lists the project code names and numbers. 549 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,060 Based on that, he recognized, he thought, one 550 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:56,730 and contacted them, and then contacted some offices 551 00:23:56,730 --> 00:23:58,260 in the Pentagon. 552 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:00,957 And basically what he was told was, 553 00:24:00,957 --> 00:24:02,790 you don't have a need to know, and we're not 554 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:04,050 going to tell you. 555 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,710 And he persisted, and he was threatened with being demoted-- 556 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:09,480 a star taken off his lapel. 557 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,930 But the admiral was very laser-focused. 558 00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:17,790 At the end of it I said, we really need your help. 559 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:22,493 And he said, well, who else has run into this wall of secrecy 560 00:24:22,493 --> 00:24:23,910 and been threatened the way I was? 561 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:26,790 I said, well, the CIA director, the President, 562 00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:27,920 the Secretary of Defense. 563 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,720 He said, the-- 564 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,090 I said, yes. 565 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:34,320 Gordon Cooper, who was a famous astronaut who 566 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,550 had one of these craft land out at Edwards back in '56 567 00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:40,530 and got film footage from his crew 568 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:42,750 and flew it back on a general's plane, 569 00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:45,480 was asked by Secretary of Defense Cohen. 570 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,410 Now, how do I know this? 571 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:51,360 Because Gordon Cooper and I presented to a think tank 572 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,710 together, and he pulled me aside, and he says, 573 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:55,830 look, the Secretary of Defense asked 574 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:58,830 me to give him all the actionable intelligence-- 575 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:01,350 every little granular detail about that event 576 00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:04,540 so he could find that evidence. 577 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:05,590 And so he did. 578 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:07,610 And the Secretary of Defense got back to him-- 579 00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:09,130 Cohen-- Secretary of Defense Cohen-- 580 00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:11,507 said, this thing has disappeared. 581 00:25:11,507 --> 00:25:12,590 I don't have access to it. 582 00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:14,740 It's in a project I have no access to-- 583 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:16,240 Secretary of Defense. 584 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,690 So I said this to the admiral, Wilson. 585 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:21,040 And he says, oh, my God. 586 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,290 And I said, well-- he says, and what can I do? 587 00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:25,520 I said, well, we need you to help lead up-- he says, 588 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,740 I can't. 589 00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:31,330 And the admiral said, what I've learned 590 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,510 since I got this initial information from you 591 00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:38,050 is that the best thing I know about is a B2 stealth bomber. 592 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:40,790 And these unacknowledged Special Access Projects have things 593 00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:42,040 that can do circles around it. 594 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,602 He did like this. 595 00:25:43,602 --> 00:25:44,560 He says, I'm outgunned. 596 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,540 It's point, set, match. 597 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:47,770 But that's what happened. 598 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:52,083 And you multiply that times dozens and dozens 599 00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:54,250 of times that I've been in meetings like that-- when 600 00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:58,410 I met years ago with General Odom, head 601 00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:00,160 of the-- director of the National Security 602 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,100 Agency, his right-hand guy, he described something to me 603 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,270 called a DDT. 604 00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:05,900 And everybody thinks, oh, pesticides. 605 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:06,700 No. 606 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:10,720 It stands for, you set up a decoy and distract the public, 607 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,010 and then you trash it. 608 00:26:12,010 --> 00:26:14,700 He says, we run DDTs all the time on this subject. 609 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:15,500 BILLY: Wow. 610 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:16,300 GREER: Yeah. 611 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,600 So almost everything out there in the public space on the UFO 612 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,413 subject is a DDT. 613 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:23,080 BILLY: And so with all of this going on, 614 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,413 what can we take away from this? 615 00:26:24,413 --> 00:26:26,740 How does this negativity that they put out there, 616 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:29,480 or how did these DDTs or this disinformation, 617 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,630 how does it affect us, and how can it make us better? 618 00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:34,610 What can we learn from this? 619 00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:37,070 GREER: Well, these operations serve two purposes, 620 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:41,590 and this is sort of the key of counterintelligence 621 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:44,080 and putting out disinformation. 622 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,150 And that is, you want to do two things, 623 00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:48,400 and this is what they're doing, that they 624 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,800 want to put out enough information that it seems 625 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,840 plausible, and then surround it with unbelievable amounts 626 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,530 of false information or a false narrative. 627 00:26:59,530 --> 00:27:03,340 But, of course, when they began to release information, 628 00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:07,420 like the Tic Tac, it turned out, of course, that was-- 629 00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:09,250 that's one of the Lockheed Skunk Works 630 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:11,160 objects, not extraterrestrial. 631 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,535 We know how those are engineered, 632 00:27:12,535 --> 00:27:15,040 it's based on an ET object. 633 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,020 But that was released. 634 00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:18,790 And, of course, because they said so 635 00:27:18,790 --> 00:27:20,860 and they're in the intelligence community, 636 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:23,290 the media covered it. 637 00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:27,460 Disclosure Project has much more amazing dispositive evidence 638 00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:29,290 than that, but they won't cover what 639 00:27:29,290 --> 00:27:31,960 we're doing because we're going to say, yes, 640 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,760 that one is extraterrestrial. 641 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,550 That one is from the Lockheed Skunk Works. 642 00:27:36,550 --> 00:27:39,237 And if that gets disclosed, it's the end of oil. 643 00:27:39,237 --> 00:27:40,570 It's the end of the petrodollar. 644 00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:41,830 It's a lot. 645 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:46,120 So they sanitize out anyone who actually-- 646 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,960 frankly, if they're going to tell the truth, 647 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960 they're not going to be in the mainstream media. 648 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,290 What really happens is that the intelligence community 649 00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:56,500 will open the doors to certain information coming out, 650 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,290 but then attach to it the narrative. 651 00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:00,940 And the narrative in that case is, it's 652 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:02,980 a national security threat-- 653 00:28:02,980 --> 00:28:08,180 or if they're swarming our destroyers or what have you. 654 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,390 And the reason for that long-term-- 655 00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:13,060 it's been a 70-year defense strategy 656 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:16,720 plan that people on my team have seen, 657 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,560 and that is what Wernher Von Braun said to Carol Rosin 658 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,370 before he died, that they would play this last card, which 659 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:28,780 would be an alien threat to try to unite the world militarily-- 660 00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:31,180 instead of in peace, in conflict. 661 00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:34,900 And now, we predicted this in the '90s. 662 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,140 Now, you're seeing it actually unfold before our very eyes 663 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:39,230 in the media. 664 00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:42,640 So I think these DDT operations happen all the time. 665 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,260 Most of the people who are going to be giving information 666 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:51,400 to the media have looking through a glass very dimly, 667 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,272 or are operatives who have been on the payroll to say, 668 00:28:55,272 --> 00:28:56,480 we don't know what these are. 669 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,540 Now, you'll notice, for example, they'll say, 670 00:28:58,540 --> 00:28:59,860 we don't know what these are. 671 00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:02,950 They came up with this new term, UAP. 672 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:04,570 They always make up a new acronym 673 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:07,740 that's a lie, basically. 674 00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:09,090 But they do know what they are. 675 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:11,500 They know there are two types. 676 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,260 And I have a letter from the head of the Lockheed Skunk 677 00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:19,080 Works that we can show, signed by him, dated 1986. 678 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,670 A man-- a friend of his wrote and said, 679 00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:28,230 are these UFOs ours, manmade, or extraterrestrial? 680 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:31,440 And Ben Rich writes back, they're both. 681 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840 So that's been known for decades, 682 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120 since the '40s and '50s. 683 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,200 And yet, you have these people saying, gosh, 684 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,367 we don't know what they are. 685 00:29:39,367 --> 00:29:40,770 We need more money to study them. 686 00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:41,070 Right. 687 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:42,870 We've already spent trillions studying it. 688 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,010 So that's all a dog and pony show. 689 00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:46,860 And I think the takeaway for the public 690 00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:50,040 really is, be very skeptical. 691 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,840 Be cautious. 692 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,480 I'm trying the best we can as an unfunded 693 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,990 volunteer effort to do the best we can. 694 00:29:58,990 --> 00:30:01,320 But over the years, I've had over 980 695 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,260 of these top secret witnesses come to me. 696 00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:07,170 So we have a lot of information archived. 697 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:08,550 But ultimately, the things you're 698 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:11,580 going to see pushed onto the internet, pushed onto the tech 699 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:16,890 platforms, pushed through the media, are going to be curated 700 00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:19,170 and cherry picked to have that effect. 701 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:22,410 It will be part information, part disinformation, 702 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:25,120 and with this spin of it always being a threat. 703 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,920 BILLY: Right. 704 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,280 GREER: Yeah. 705 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,420 BILLY: Generate the fear. 706 00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:28,830 GREER: And that's the big plan. 707 00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:31,893 That's the big picture from standing way out. 708 00:30:31,893 --> 00:30:33,310 BILLY: Makes a lot of sense to me. 709 00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:37,560 GREER: And then you just fill in the dots as it comes out. 710 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,430 Once you know the template, you can get the picture. 711 00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:41,610 BILLY: Exactly. 712 00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:43,020 Amazing. 713 00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:43,980 Thank you, Dr. Greer. 714 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:45,230 GREER: Thank you. 715 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:46,230 BILLY: I'm Billy Carson. 716 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:48,355 Thank you for watching "Disclosure" with Dr. Steven 717 00:30:48,355 --> 00:30:49,200 Greer. 718 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,550 [MUSIC PLAYING]