From baxtrom@home.com Wed Aug 01 18:28:25 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: baxtrom@home.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:28:25 -0600 -------- On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. Paxton" wrote: >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes >either. > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden >primarily on roads but also off road. > >Big Dave ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From flynn@powersurfr.com Wed Aug 01 21:15:05 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: flynn Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:15:05 -0600 -------- Speaking of offroad vehicles, what sort of four-wheeled machine would be best? I understand Hummer is the ultimate offroader, but the gasoline consumption would be prohbitive. Any 4-wheeled vehicles that would be optimum for gasoline stinginess and offroad toughness? Or do we just have to convert a Geo Metro to 4 wheel drive? baxtrom@home.com wrote: > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. > Paxton" wrote: > > >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a > >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > > > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if > >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if > >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I > >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" > >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But > >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes > >either. > > > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good > >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden > >primarily on roads but also off road. > > > >Big Dave ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From DodgeNeon1@earthlink.net Wed Aug 01 22:34:44 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: "Bill" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:34:44 -0500 -------- Depends on whether you want comfort or utility? Small 4-wheeler or large 4-wheeler. Anything without electronic ignition would be my pick. A 50's-60's era truck would be best for that. Especially Dodge for me. If the bed didn't hold enough gear. Then I would buy a trailer to go with it. Preferably enclosed. While my next vehicle won't be that older truck. The one after will be. Reason I am not getting the older vehicle now? Chrysler gave us retirees a very nice retirement package for early retirement. It included a $10,500 Voucher for a new vehicle. BTW, I didn't tell them that I was going to retire at the end of June anyway! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: flynn To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 22:15 Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? Speaking of offroad vehicles, what sort of four-wheeled machine would be best? I understand Hummer is the ultimate offroader, but the gasoline consumption would be prohbitive. Any 4-wheeled vehicles that would be optimum for gasoline stinginess and offroad toughness? Or do we just have to convert a Geo Metro to 4 wheel drive? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Thu Aug 02 04:12:58 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: Dusty Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 04:12:58 -0600 -------- A while back I had a spare fuel tank made for my truck. It holds 85 gallons when full, normally put in 75. Plus my truck's 15 gallon tank and the five jerry cans, comes to 115 gallons. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but properly rationed it can last a long time. Carl flynn wrote: > > Speaking of offroad vehicles, what sort of four-wheeled machine would > be > best? I understand Hummer is the ultimate offroader, but the gasoline > consumption would be prohbitive. > Any 4-wheeled vehicles that would be optimum for gasoline > stinginess and > offroad toughness? > Or do we just have to convert a Geo Metro to 4 wheel drive? > > baxtrom@home.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. > > Paxton" wrote: > > > > >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a > > >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival > vehicle. > > > > > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something > that if > > >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if > > >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what > I > > >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the > "knobbies" > > >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be > ridiculous. But > > >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the > bushes > > >either. > > > > > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a > good > > >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be > ridden > > >primarily on roads but also off road. > > > > > >Big Dave > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- This Message is guaranteed environmentally friendly Manufactured with 10% post consumer ASCII Meets all EPA regulations for clean air Using only naturally occuring fibers Use the Message with confidance. (Some settling may occure in transit.) (Best if Used before May 13, 2250) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From msrudolf@msn.com Thu Aug 02 09:11:08 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: "msrudolf" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:11:08 -0500 -------- You would have to add a gas additive to keep it from going bad. Stabil is the main product I have heard of. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? A while back I had a spare fuel tank made for my truck. It holds 85 gallons when full, normally put in 75. Plus my truck's 15 gallon tank and the five jerry cans, comes to 115 gallons. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but properly rationed it can last a long time. Carl flynn wrote: > > Speaking of offroad vehicles, what sort of four-wheeled machine would > be > best? I understand Hummer is the ultimate offroader, but the gasoline > consumption would be prohbitive. > Any 4-wheeled vehicles that would be optimum for gasoline > stinginess and > offroad toughness? > Or do we just have to convert a Geo Metro to 4 wheel drive? > > baxtrom@home.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. > > Paxton" wrote: > > > > >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a > > >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival > vehicle. > > > > > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something > that if > > >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if > > >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what > I > > >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the > "knobbies" > > >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be > ridiculous. But > > >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the > bushes > > >either. > > > > > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a > good > > >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be > ridden > > >primarily on roads but also off road. > > > > > >Big Dave > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- This Message is guaranteed environmentally friendly Manufactured with 10% post consumer ASCII Meets all EPA regulations for clean air Using only naturally occuring fibers Use the Message with confidance. (Some settling may occure in transit.) (Best if Used before May 13, 2250) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From DodgeNeon1@earthlink.net Wed Aug 01 21:38:57 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: "Bill" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:38:57 -0500 -------- Well, I've ridden bikes or motorcycles since '69. Most of them have been what is called a dual-purpose bike. This means on and off-road. Never had a Harley as that was right out of my price range. So, I've had Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki. I currently own a '90 Kawasaki KLR650. Bought it new and have about 25,000 miles on it. The book says it will get 350 miles with 2 people and their gear. Bullshit!!! However, it will get 270 miles at 70 MPH on road. Off-road useage it doesn't get quite as good a mileage. This is on a 6½ gallon tank. I also have a tank bag that can carry quite a bit of stuff, including a map window. In this bag, I carry a rainsuit, tools, gloves, spare glasses, maps of course and a few other things. On the back, I can carry a fully loaded backpack or duffle bag. On the top of the bag/pack, I can also carry my gun bag/s. This bike has a Monoshock rear shocking system. I also have knobby tires, front and rear. I have only had a couple of problems with it. Batteries go bad regularly, from long periods of mis-use. Probably the same as a car/truck. Also had a problem with the Monoshock system. Hope that is over with now as that was a few years ago. It is also a radiator cooled system. Just like on your car/truck. I am getting ready to do a major overhaul on the bike. Not the engine as that has very good compression still. Just some things that have to be repaired before parts disapeer foreever. I am also going to stockpile a few of those parts for the future, including tires, chains, sprockets and the like. I am also going to set this bike up more for survival and ride it a lot. The knee and back are getting better and hope I can ride it a lot now. Gonna try and get a bigger gas tank than the 6½ Gallon one. Anyway, more on it later. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: baxtrom@home.com To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 19:28 Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. Paxton" wrote: >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes >either. > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden >primarily on roads but also off road. > >Big Dave To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From msrudolf@msn.com Thu Aug 02 08:45:09 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: "msrudolf" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:45:09 -0500 -------- Get a trickle charger solar panel for the battery. It will keep it charged so it won't go dead. You can get them for 20 to 30 dollars. You will have to have a lighter plug in. Cynthia Batteries go bad regularly, from long periods of mis-use. Probably the same as a car/truck. Also had a problem with the [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Thu Aug 02 03:48:35 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: Dusty Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:48:35 -0600 -------- Rokon. May be heavy but it can go almost anywhere. Carl baxtrom@home.com wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. > Paxton" wrote: > > >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a > >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > > > > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that > if > >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if > >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I > >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the > "knobbies" > >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. > But > >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes > >either. > > > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a > good > >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be > ridden > >primarily on roads but also off road. > > > >Big Dave > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- This Message is guaranteed environmentally friendly Manufactured with 10% post consumer ASCII Meets all EPA regulations for clean air Using only naturally occuring fibers Use the Message with confidance. (Some settling may occure in transit.) (Best if Used before May 13, 2250) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From baxtrom@home.com Wed Aug 01 18:28:34 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Re: Best Motorcycle??? From: baxtrom@home.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:28:34 -0600 -------- On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:20:17 +0000, in misc.survivalism Gunner wrote: >On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, "David L. Paxton" > wrote: > >>Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a >>motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. >> >>But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if >>necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if >>necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I >>would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" >>would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But >>the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes >>either. >> >>I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good >>compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden >>primarily on roads but also off road. >> >>Big Dave > >Sportster? ah...no. Not if you want a reliable scooter. Even the new >Harleys..are not as reliable as a Honda. > >Id have to say, one of the BMW dual purpose bikes. Cant think of the >model/name at the moment. Look on their website. Followed by any of the >Honda Street Scramblers probably. > >Gunner > > >Attending a Million Mom [sic] March, this last Mothers' Day, on hearing >the bleeding heart cry about this innocent [sic] life, snuffed out by a >five-cent bullet, I had to shout out "Where do you shop? They cost me >nearly a quarter!" > Jeffrey C. Dege >Didn't go over well. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From baxtrom@home.com Wed Aug 01 18:28:42 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Re: Best Motorcycle??? From: baxtrom@home.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:28:42 -0600 -------- On 1 Aug 2001 14:34:57 GMT, in misc.survivalism ron@fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) wrote: >David L. Paxton (dlpaxton@gate.net) wrote: >: Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a >: motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > >Or recreation. Do you need an excuse for the wife to believe? > >: But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if > >Bar fight material. > >: necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I >: would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" >: would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But >: the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes >: either. > >Joint aches? What are you talking about? > > >: I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good > > No, not a Sportster. Not enough suspension. And often modified to be >too loud. > >: compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden >: primarily on roads but also off road. > >KLR650 (might be too big), DR350/XT350 very nice size - powerful yet light. > > >I ride an XT350 to/from work every day in the summer. I wouldn't want to >do 500 miles on it except in case of bugout THEN it would be excellent. >70 mpg and maneuverable. > >But a bugout would tend to have you packing much more gear. Consider >saddlebags and racks & THEN how maneuverable you'll be. > >I use Avon Gripster tires - mostly road-based tread but adequate in dirt. > >Ron >Yam XT350 (with over 15,000 mi on it) >BMW R100GS (over 30,000) >Dual Purpose bikes are THE way to go :-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From baxtrom@home.com Wed Aug 01 18:29:37 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] (fwd) Re: Best Motorcycle??? From: baxtrom@home.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:29:37 -0600 -------- On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:16:41 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. Paxton" wrote: >Ron Miller wrote: > >> Or recreation. Do you need an excuse for the wife to believe? > >No, been happily divorced for over 20 years, no excuses needed. Of >course I will use it for recreation. BUT that rec use will be secondary >for the purchase. I want to get a bike that will fit the bill for it's >intended use and then work out what is needed to make it a recreational >vehicle. I plan on camping trips, maybe even a vacation or two on it but >it's intended use and reason for purchase would be as stated. > >> : But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if >> >> Bar fight material. > >That's why I asked here instead of at the bar. 8) > >> : necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I >> : would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" >> : would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But >> : the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes >> : either. >> >> Joint aches? What are you talking about? > >Well, let me tell you... I rode a Yamaha off road bike on a 250 mile >trip once. Every bone in my body ached. Back aches, knee aches, shoulder >aches... etc. etc. The suspension on those bikes is great for jumping >mounds of dirt and running across fields but for an extended ride, >forget it! > >> : I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good >> >> No, not a Sportster. Not enough suspension. And often modified to be >> too loud. > >Whatever I buy it will be new so it will have factory exhaust (unless I >change it for some reason) I suspected the suspension was a little >light. I go 265lbs (6'8") and by the time I load, say 100 lbs. of >camping equipment and supplies on it I think the Sportster would be very >marginal even for smooth road use. Can the suspension be beefed up or is >it better just to look for a different bike? > >> : compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden >> : primarily on roads but also off road. >> >> KLR650 (might be too big), DR350/XT350 very nice size - powerful yet light. > >Thanks for the info. > >> I ride an XT350 to/from work every day in the summer. I wouldn't want to >> do 500 miles on it except in case of bugout THEN it would be excellent. >> 70 mpg and maneuverable. > >One concern for staying with a smaller bike would be the fuel usage. A >hog gets what, 25, 30 MPG ??? a Sportster should be around the 50 to 70 >mark. Of course a rice burner with the added feature of antilock breaks >becoming more or less standard equipment these days is usually more >thrifty on the fuel. Of course, now that everything is going fuel >injection instead of carburated the idea of powering one with chicken >droppings (methane gas 8) ) would require some sort of carb swap. > >> But a bugout would tend to have you packing much more gear. Consider >> saddlebags and racks & THEN how maneuverable you'll be. > >I thought about it. For recreational camping maybe all right. But for >bug out the extra maneuverability is desired. Of course, having a >prescribed route and caches would allow for light and agile >escape/avoidance handling. (I have caching articles on my web page that >discuss this area of thought) Instead of bags for camping I considered >packs on frames. Making some sort of system to quick install and release >the pack frames would be simple enough. A good sized pack on each side >and the tent and sleeping bag between on the seat and over the 2 frames >would work quite well. However, the extra bulk and all would demising >the handling as you pointed out. > >> I use Avon Gripster tires - mostly road-based tread but adequate in dirt. > >Thanks for this info. I will keep it in mind. > >Big Dave ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From icblood@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 21:25:40 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: (fwd) Best Motorcycle??? From: "Jerome M." Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:25:40 -0000 -------- If I could find one, I'd go for an older diesel Toyota Landcruiser. Barring that, I'd go for an older diesel 4x4 truck (not a chevy though). I think in an emergency, diesel will be the fuel of choice...those 18 wheelers need it, so I'd be around somewhere, even in a crisis. If TSHTF, you could always make bio-diesel...it's actually easier to convert methanol or ethanol to bio-diesel than to make a gas engine run on alchohol, longevity wise. Dragonfly --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., flynn wrote: > Speaking of offroad vehicles, what sort of four-wheeled machine would be > best? I understand Hummer is the ultimate offroader, but the gasoline > consumption would be prohbitive. > Any 4-wheeled vehicles that would be optimum for gasoline stinginess and > offroad toughness? > Or do we just have to convert a Geo Metro to 4 wheel drive? > > baxtrom@h... wrote: > > > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400, in misc.survivalism "David L. > > Paxton" wrote: > > > > >Hi, I am rethinking some of my survival plans. I plan on adding a > > >motorcycle as a possible escape/evade or just plain survival vehicle. > > > > > >But I was wondering about the best "all around" bike. Something that if > > >necessary could be ridden on highways for long distance but also if > > >necessary go cross country. The popular off road bikes are not what I > > >would like to ride for 500 miles or so on the roadway and the "knobbies" > > >would probably give me so many "joint aches" it would be ridiculous. But > > >the big hogs are not what I would want for running through the bushes > > >either. > > > > > >I was wondering if a moderate sized bike (Sportster???) would be a good > > >compromise. And what tires would you recommend for a bike to be ridden > > >primarily on roads but also off road. > > > > > >Big Dave ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/