From cayoung01@earthlink.net Fri Aug 03 06:05:32 2001 To: Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: "Chris Young" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:05:32 -0400 Cc: -------- >Does anyone know where I can purchase the mil-spec Fishing Kit >(MIL-F-6218 in -C container)? > >Thanks in advance for any help, > >Mike Kirkpatrick Nope, don't know where you'd get that particular kit. FWIW, I don't know what there is about that kit that might make it worthwhile. Other than the fact it is a no-brainner pre-packaged kit. But it would almost certainly be cheaper to simply put together a kit. Back when I was a kid I used to get along with a fishing kit in a chewing tobacco tin or Prince Albert can. Kite string, misc selection of hooks, small quantity of lead weights, couple little corks. That was it. Got to where I was gonna fish. Used local bait, worms, grubs, grasshoppers, crickets, whatever. If I could find a spot where I could reach water at least a couple feet deep within arm reach, just held the string in my hand. If I needed it, I found or cut a stick a few feet long to reach deeper water. A technique we used to call Jiggling (Also referred to as daubbing, jigging, etc) Tie small hook to end of string. Attach small weight above hook about 4 to 6 inches. Use smallest weight that would get the line to hang straight down. Trick here, for this type fishing is control and sensitivity, but too much weight is counter productive. For this type fishing, a float was NOT used. Idea was to lower baited hook down to the bottom, if you can't see hook, your line will go limp or slack when you touch bottom. Lift until line is hanging straight again, meaning weight is just off the bottom, then a few inches more. Depending on distance above hook where you placed the weight, i.e. if you put weight 4 inches above hook, lift 4 to 6 inches more past the point where weight just lifted off the bottom. The point is to get your hook and bait just off the bottom, have a straight hanging line, end of string in your hand, or attached to shortest possible, fairly stiff stick. You want to be able to feel the slightest nibble. At first try just holding line still, bait barely off the bottom. Wait one or 2 minutes, then shift line horizontally a few inches. Causing your bait to look as if it is moving or swimming from one spot to the next. Go slow. Occassionally try lifting and then lowering a few inches. Don't be too durn active about all this. You're trying to just attract attention and notice by what are gonna be some fairly small fish. Read that as ... they're timid and leary. If you're getting no nibbles after trying a certain pattern for a while, vary it. That doesn't work, shift spots. Small fish like cover, someplace to hide. Try different small openings between weeds, rushes, etc. Or just outside (or inside) the edge of a clump of weeds or rushes. In a spot shaded by tree, along the edges of a boat dock, etc. Those little critters are looking for food ... but they are also food to bigger fish and know that, so they're most often not far from where they can duck behind something or duck into a spot where seeing is difficult. Pattern that's always worked consistant for me is to get hook into position, hold for a half minute to a minute, lift up a few inches, shift horizontal a few inches, then let hook fall again to bottom or just above. If I start getting bites, I just stay where I'm at and gently and slowly jiggle the line up and down a couple inches. Because there is a straight line connection from hook to hand, or end of fairly stiff stick, one can feel the most tentative, minute test grabs or nibbles by the fish. At this point, only trial and error count. As one getsto feeling the nibbles, one can start to feel the difference between the softest touch, and a firmer grab. One has to just figure out by trial and error, the timing and proper time to give your line a jerk. Jerk should be quick, but don't get carried away with the force, these are little fish. You don't want to jerk the hook clear thru the flesh of their lips. Think flick of wrist or finger, not the arm jerks you see on fishing shows where a guy is using rod and reel. Yes, you are not waiting for the fish to -swallow- the bait, you're snagging the lip as they take a grab on the bait. This sort of fishing is aimed at little critters. Perch, bluegill, sunfish, etc and the young of fish which later get larger. Depending on where you fish and the naturally available fish, one might also come up with catfish, bullhead, carp, etc. And I've had young kids out on a bank or end of a boat dock even pick up larger game fish. So if you're holding string in your hand, probably a good idea not to wrap the string around a finger. Chuckle, if using something like kite string, it'll break easily with a larger fish. But if using regular monofilament, or stronger line, and one snags a larger fish and the string is wrapped around a finger, it will suck to be you. Had a little 6 yr old I was teaching this technique to who snagged a 5 lb northern pike in 3 foot of water. Such a fish can sink regular fishing line right into your flesh. In the case of this kid I had the line wrapped around a stick he held in his hand. Chuckle, kid jumped, almost got jerked into water, but he was game, held onto dock pole and the line screaming for help, but he wasn't letting go of that fish. I got it landed for him. This technque is not good if you are looking for bigger fish (can be but a whole different subject when talking the big boys, because one has to know where to look for such) but can be a VERY effective technique to get you food if you're hungry. This past summer I saw a group of kids on a dock fishing. Obviously not a clue. 4 kids, oldest about 10 or 11. Daddy was out on the lake fishing for game fish, left kids to their own devices. So I wandered over. Like most young ones, they just wanted to catch some fish. Taught them to use the jiggling technique. They had rods and reels but instead of casting, using floats, etc. I had them simply lowering lines and using them as I described. Couple hours they had probably 6 or 7 lbs of fish in a basket. Little suckers, small panfish, but what the heck? They were excited. Asking 'Are they edible? Can we eat them?' The answer is ... absolutely. In fact, their mom had showed up, so I cleaned the little fish up for them, my wife had wandered over and gave the lady some preparation and cooking tips. The dad finally showed up. Not much of a fisherman (no slam, he was just learning) he been out at the wrong time and to the wrong places looking for larger game fish. Can back with two of a size not to be bragged about. Was surprised to find fresh fish cooking, and plenty to feed all. Chuckle .... and he was surprised at how GOOD it tasted. Which is the POINT to this note. There is a world of difference between standard game fishing as talked of in fishing newsgroups, in magazines and on TV fishing shows, as compared to what one needs and should do to get food for survival. That father who had all the right stuff, latest in tackle and equipment, couldn't provide a meal because he did not have the skills or knowledge for the larger fish everyone speaks of. Plus, the larger fish do not exist in anywhere near the NUMBERS that smaller fish do. I am a fisherman, trust me ... I can go and find game and sport fish where others can not. But it is more a function of knowledge than equipment, and it takes time to learn ... lots of time. The technique I spoke of above, I've seen work reliably all over the friggin world, in all sorts of waters, in all sorts of climates. And produce enough food, consistantly, for one to eat well. As one poster mentioned, in some more primitive areas where the interest is eating, not size of fish, they most often seek these smaller fish and do quite well. For those who'd point out that the effort expended for small fish is too great ... bull, in SOME circumstances and waters that would be true. But I've done this too often as a youngster, when I was older while out hiking and camping, during survival exercises, while helping kids have a little fun, etc etc ... it works and works most times, in most waters if there are any fish at all. One is just targeting the more numerous lower on the food chain aquatic life. Same principle holds for land critter. If YOU are hungry and concentrating all your attention and efforts on larger deer and so forth, be my guest. If I'm hungry I'm going after what is more numerous and readily available. Wanna be who'll eat first? And more reliably? Jiggling works. Takes little equipment and little time IF you are targeting the numerous smaller fish, instead of tossing them back and hoping for the trophy fish. Tip: Don't do more than gut and scale them. Talking survival here. All the flesh is valueable. The skin is edible and important nutrition you should not toss. Yes, it is a pain to pick around the bones but we're talking survival here. 1) Some 8 to 10 lb ordinary monofilament will do, or even lighter. 2) Hooks. Plain ones, selection of sizes, make sure you have some small ones, small fish have small mouths. Some trebles are nice and handy, especially for snagging but not a necessity. 3) Selection of small lead weights. 4) Optional. Small metal blades to add some flash. Found with fishing supplies. White, copper, silver as best all around picks. Possible some small beads, 3 mm or smaller. Come in colors. White, yellow, red, gold and silver are good colors. Have a hole in them. One or two strung on line so that they rest at top of hook can add a bit of extra interest for the fish. Found with fishing supplies, or heck, look in the sewing hobby section of a store for the beads used in clothing, art projects, etc. Intead of ordinary hooks, you might pick jigs. That is a hook with permanently attached weight. Look for 1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 1/8 ounce weights. Jigs are nice for this jiggle fishing as hook and weight are together so ou have a more positive feel and control of exactly what the hook is doing. Fly hooks might be considered ... but for basic kit, unless you know when, where and how, I'd skip the flies. Keep it simple. 5) Floats? I'd skip. There is a time, place, etc where a float is good, but we're talking SURVIVAL here. KISS. If you want to try a float, as in just setting out a line and forgetting it, coming back later to check, use a small stick. Or include only a few floats. 6) Artificial baits? Really, I'd skip this for the minimal kit. The artificial do not work real well for the type fishing I speak of. If you want some, look for the small artificial eggs and such. Think small. In all honesty, rods and reels and full tackle sets are a waste unless you are an accomplished fisherman and know what you're doing. Trying this route, without really being accomplished at it, you might well starve. Or be a real frustrated person. i.e. a lot of time for little return. Fish traps are a definate idea and they are of many designs, materials and construction. Can be extremely productive and the best way to go. But too long a subject for me to discuss here. Info is available in books and on the web. Nets are a good idea. Forget a cast net unless you spend the time to learn its use. I can use one and it works well, but it takes practice. A net can be stretched across moving water, or with a couple people on it walked thru shallow water, etc. Or used to construct a trap. I make my own nets, but they are a chore if one is not skilled and practiced. Cabella's I know sells them. As do other places, check around. Keep in mind, in normal times there are many restrictions on net fishing. Make sure you follow the law unless in a survival situaton. (Same goes with traps) Some good heavy line (20 lbs or better) with short lenghts of smaller line tied to it every couple feet, treble hooks attached to ends of smaller lines, hooks baited canbe a thought. Commonly called a trot line. Idea is to take one end, attach a weight, toss that sucker a far as you can. Stretches out the main line across the water, which then sinks. Along it you now have multiple baited hooks resting on the bottom. The end of the main line you have left, anchor to something solid. Leave the line several hours or over night. Check on it by hauling it in to see what you have. Very effective. A variation is to stretch main line across the water and anchor far end to stump or some other object, with enough slack so main body of line is drooped in the water, closer to bottom the better. One can set several trot lines. With the advantage that if one does take care to conceal the shore end, others won't know you have the thing there. Trot lines are illegal or severely restricted in many places. Because they are so effective. Take care with them. Chuckle I have hauled them in and found I had snapping turtles, gators, snakes, etc on one. (Which are edible, by the way) Spearing can be productive, but again a skill that most don't have. Without the skill, don't bother you're gonna get hungry. Myself I do spear from time to time (legally only) and am fond of gigging frogs and such. You can find a gig head at many sporting shops. Other type fishing spears and heads I've not seen, make my own. A bow is good, IF you practice before you need it, in some waters for some types of critter. I occassionally go after carp this way. Smoked carp is good. Hope this helps. Bob If there is a fish in the water, I can get him. But then again, I am no amatuer at this. In a survival situation if you don't know what you're doing ... skip the rods and reel and fancy gear, try one of the other techniques. Jiggling is simple and it works. Just don't expect the sort of fish I'm after. A person's spirit is defined by the person's thoughts, words and deeds. NOT by what was done to the person in the past. (Old native american saying) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Fri Aug 03 23:08:46 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: Dusty Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:08:46 -0600 -------- Chris, what I found that works is dental floss. I carry both waxed and non-waxed. The waxed I use for sewing and have a couple of needles in the floss case. I'm sure the waxed would work as well, but I know that with trout they can "sense" the wax and thus avoid the lure. The floss is not easy to break. And it's cheap. Carl Chris Young wrote: > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase the mil-spec Fishing Kit > >(MIL-F-6218 in -C container)? > > > >Thanks in advance for any help, > > > >Mike Kirkpatrick > > Nope, don't know where you'd get that particular kit. > > FWIW, I don't know what there is about that kit that might make it > worthwhile. Other than the fact it is a no-brainner pre-packaged kit. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From cayoung01@earthlink.net Sat Aug 04 05:17:31 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: "Chris Young" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:17:31 -0400 -------- Somehow, we're getting pieces of messages. I've got no interest in fishing, as I don't like seafood. Christopher A. Young P.O. Box 442 Macedon, NY 14502 Improve your spirituality at www.lds.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish Chris, what I found that works is dental floss. I carry both waxed and non-waxed. The waxed I use for sewing and have a couple of needles in the floss case. I'm sure the waxed would work as well, but I know that with trout they can "sense" the wax and thus avoid the lure. The floss is not easy to break. And it's cheap. Carl Chris Young wrote: > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase the mil-spec Fishing Kit > >(MIL-F-6218 in -C container)? > > > >Thanks in advance for any help, > > > >Mike Kirkpatrick > > Nope, don't know where you'd get that particular kit. > > FWIW, I don't know what there is about that kit that might make it > worthwhile. Other than the fact it is a no-brainner pre-packaged kit. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Sat Aug 04 05:39:34 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: Dusty Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 05:39:34 -0600 -------- No, I decided to, on large posts, to snip bits and pieces. But hey, fish are good for you! Don't beleive me? Ask Jaws. Nothing like a good swim with him to give you a workout.... Carl Chris Young wrote: > > Somehow, we're getting pieces of messages. I've got no interest in > fishing, as I don't like seafood. > > Christopher A. Young > P.O. Box 442 > Macedon, NY 14502 > > Improve your spirituality at www.lds.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dusty > To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish > > Chris, what I found that works is dental floss. I carry both waxed > and > non-waxed. The waxed I use for sewing and have a couple of needles > in > the floss case. I'm sure the waxed would work as well, but I know > that > with trout they can "sense" the wax and thus avoid the lure. The > floss > is not easy to break. And it's cheap. > Carl > > Chris Young wrote: > > > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase the mil-spec Fishing Kit > > >(MIL-F-6218 in -C container)? > > > > > >Thanks in advance for any help, > > > > > >Mike Kirkpatrick > > > > Nope, don't know where you'd get that particular kit. > > > > FWIW, I don't know what there is about that kit that might make it > > worthwhile. Other than the fact it is a no-brainner pre-packaged > kit. > > -- > "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when > interrupted in > either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From cayoung01@earthlink.net Sat Aug 04 06:42:00 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: "Chris Young" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:42:00 -0400 -------- Would be nice if you snipped so that the message stayed about the same as intended. Example below. Chit A. Young P.O. B 2 Madon, NY 14502 prove your spit at www.ls.og ----- Original Message ----- From: Dusty To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish N, I dece to, on lag pot, to snip bis and pic. But y, fi a good f you! Do me? Jaws. Not a good swim to give you out.... Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com Sat Aug 04 09:49:23 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: "Possum Hunter" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:49:23 -0400 -------- Chris Young wrote: I've got no interest in fishing, as I don't like seafood After you have not had anything to eat in a while, you may become *very* interested in fishing! It is much better to learn this very important survival skill before you need it! Possum Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Box 442 Macedon, NY 14502 Improve your spirituality at www.lds.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish Chris Young wrote: I've got no interest in fishing, as I don't like seafood After you have not had anything to eat in a while, you may become *very* interested in fishing! It is much better to learn this very important survival skill before you need it! Possum Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Sat Aug 04 14:48:17 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Jigging Fish From: Dusty Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:48:17 -0600 -------- And when you're hungry it's amazing how great a dinner of stewed roots and crawdads tastes! Just as good as a premier dinner at Red Lobster! Carl Possum Hunter wrote: > > Chris Young wrote: > I've got no interest in fishing, as I don't like seafood > > After you have not had anything to eat in a while, you may become > *very* > interested in fishing! It is much better to learn this very important > survival skill before you need it! > > Possum > Remember: Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to > get > you. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kafiske@hotmail.com Sat Aug 04 08:28:00 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: "Andrea Fiske" Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:28:00 +0000 -------- You could always trade some nice fat trout for something you did like! AND if you are hungry, it's sure better than starving! If nothing more, you can make a soup and drink the hot broth. Remember, by the time you have to bug-out, you may have a family to take care of, or elderly parents. Also dogs like fish and it's good for them. Knowledge is power. I hope I never have to bug-out, but am prepared for it. Can you make a snare from the floss? Blessings, Andrea in Mass. <>< >Somehow, we're getting pieces of messages. I've got no interest in fishing, >as I don't like seafood. > >Christopher A. Young > > > Chris, what I found that works is dental floss. I carry both waxed and > non-waxed. The waxed I use for sewing and have a couple of needles in > the floss case. I'm sure the waxed would work as well, but I know that > with trout they can "sense" the wax and thus avoid the lure. The floss > is not easy to break. And it's cheap. > Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From cayoung01@earthlink.net Sat Aug 04 11:50:12 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: "Chris Young" Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:50:12 -0400 -------- Thanks. I would not have thought of that. Feed the fish to the dog. Kill the dog. Eat the dog. Same with cats, feed, kill, eat. Great idea. Christopher A. Young P.O. Box 442 Macedon, NY 14502 Improve your spirituality at www.lds.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Fiske To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young You could always trade some nice fat trout for something you did like! AND if you are hungry, it's sure better than starving! If nothing more, you can make a soup and drink the hot broth. Remember, by the time you have to bug-out, you may have a family to take care of, or elderly parents. Also dogs like fish and it's good for them. Knowledge is power. I hope I never have to bug-out, but am prepared for it. Can you make a snare from the floss? Blessings, Andrea in Mass. <>< >Somehow, we're getting pieces of messages. I've got no interest in fishing, >as I don't like seafood. > >Christopher A. Young > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From faun@home.com Thu Aug 09 10:10:49 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: "Emily Thompson" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:10:49 -0700 -------- Wouldn't ever eat a dog. They are worth more alive. Emily T. faun@home.com Website: http://www.craft-info.com To veiw my ebay auctions goto: www.ebay.com and do a sellers search for: e-essentials ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Young" To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young > Thanks. I would not have thought of that. Feed the fish to the dog. Kill the dog. Eat the dog. Same with cats, feed, kill, eat. > > Great idea. > > Christopher A. Young > P.O. Box 442 > Macedon, NY 14502 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pheadoux@usit.net Thu Aug 09 10:32:38 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: "Birdwalk Farms" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:32:38 -0500 -------- the guard of the hunting variety maybe but what good is a froo froo dog? with the slight possibility of a psychological friend look into the history of the chow - from china - think hard about the name - it is fitting ----- Wouldn't ever eat a dog. They are worth more alive. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From mmckee@planetc.com Thu Aug 09 11:23:34 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: "Mitch McKee" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:23:34 -0400 -------- In the event of a complete societal breakdown, people may find that they will not be able to feed themselves and their pets as well. At this point, a hard decision on the future of the pets must be made. It is unwise just to release them on their own. First, they will likely be condemned to a cruel death of disease and slow starvation. Second, if they do manage to survive for awhile, dogs will unite in packs as a natural means of securing food. The successful dogs will breed quickly. In short order, packs of wild dogs will be roaming the countryside and cities looking for anything they can bring down. That may well be YOU! I've seen the damage and aggravation feral dogs can cause, first hand, from living out here in the boonies. They are dangerous and have little of the fear of humans that wild animals have. They can and will stalk and hunt you and they are even more dangerous where children are concerned. The only solution, though unpleasant, is to kill your pets if you can't feed them. What you do with them after that will depend upon your immediate needs but it is cruel to the animal and dangerous to people to simply have hundreds of people just turn their dogs loose on the world. Strider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birdwalk Farms" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young > the guard of the hunting variety maybe but what good is a froo froo dog? with the slight possibility of a psychological friend > > look into the history of the chow - from china - think hard about the name - it is fitting > ----- > Wouldn't ever eat a dog. They are worth more alive. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Sat Aug 04 14:44:49 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Jigging Fish/Chris Young From: Dusty Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:44:49 -0600 -------- I really don't know, Andrea. But when in doubt, experiment! Experience counts! Carl Andrea Fiske wrote: > > You could always trade some nice fat trout for something you did like! > AND > if you are hungry, it's sure better than starving! If nothing more, > you can > make a soup and drink the hot broth. Remember, by the time you have to > > bug-out, you may have a family to take care of, or elderly parents. > Also > dogs like fish and it's good for them. Knowledge is power. I hope I > never > have to bug-out, but am prepared for it. Can you make a snare from the > > floss? > > Blessings, Andrea in Mass. <>< > > >Somehow, we're getting pieces of messages. I've got no interest in > fishing, > >as I don't like seafood. > > > >Christopher A. Young > > > > > > Chris, what I found that works is dental floss. I carry both > waxed and > > non-waxed. The waxed I use for sewing and have a couple of > needles in > > the floss case. I'm sure the waxed would work as well, but I know > that > > with trout they can "sense" the wax and thus avoid the lure. The > floss > > is not easy to break. And it's cheap. > > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... 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