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Summary of Debate Arjun vis a vis Karna -2

13 Jun

Debators
Surya | Chiraan

Observers
Sonu | Renu | Nilesh | Sundara | Neeraj

Jury Hariprasad

Surya wants to settle the issue of Translation and original Sanskrit before going to new points.

He cites ! Ganguly 2. M N Dutt 3. R C Dutt 4. Lal to say Karna stringed the Bow.

Chiraan says All these authors have different versions and they do not match with Sanskrit .

Hariprasad shows Where Ganguly mentions Radha’s son as failed for a shloka ,R C Dutt shows it Shishupala failed and MN Dutt shows it as Jarasandha Failed.
If Surya says they are all authentic How these are different translation for same shloka.

Surya says : “ Although he does not know Sanskrit , They are all correct translation s and Jury Hariprasad has no ability to read . There is no difference at all.� He challenges to show the verses in Sanskrit by Chiraan where Karna failed or made an attempt.

Chiraan shows the verse , Surya says it is fabricated.

Chiraan says it is same Shloka which is mentioned in his site where Ganguly translation resides .

Surya says : The Sanskrit version at site is not acceptable But Ganguly is acceptable.
If chiraan can show same sansjkrit for MN Dutt [ or if he proves M N Dutt translated from so and so Sanskrit ] he would accept.

Hariprasad jury shows , In saskrit there name Karna failed and M N Dutt by the side of English he skips the name KArna . this is dubious.

Surya claims its the publishers mistake , he has pulled one Sanskrit version and printed against Dutt translation.

Chiraan says , Dutt mentions that it is Kolkata edition Sanskrit from where he has derived,
Ganguly says he has derived from Neelkantha and resorted to Bengali rendition.

LAL also confirms this in his book. P N Mullick also criticizes the interpolation and incidentally this booki is co authored by MN Dutt .
So Ganguly shows error in writing Radha’s son. LAl and Dutt agree ganguly has interpolated . All these have derived from Bhasa . Who has written two plays [not translation] making a hero out of Duryodhan and Karna .

Such plays and its views cannot be accepted as authentic translation.

Surya feigns He cannot see any such proof provided by the links. Whereas all the observers find them a learning experiences.

Surya says he accepts Vyasa Sanskrit but is not ready to accept the shloka given by Chiraan as there is scope for misinterpretation .

Chiraan says same shlokas are available in all sites on the internet and no other version is available . and hence they have to be vyasa Sanskrit shlokas , and the word ‘karna’ is clearly visible and hence there is no scope for misinterpretation for word ‘karna’

Surya says , all the sites showing that shloka are corrupt versions of Sanskrit including his own sacred-texts site[ self contradictory]

Sundara exclaims Surya is wrong in his logic.

Renu feels Surya has clearly failed

Neelesh finds Surya’s logic utter nonsense . He admitrs he was fan of Karna after watching BRC teleserial , but now after learning karma debacles he has a change of mind .
He concludes Arjun is the best among the warriors and Karna is least evil among evils.

Neeraj finds it difficult to understand as why chiraan is quoting Vivekananda when he is not accepting his views .
Hariprasad unanimously says the logic of Surya is untenable .

Sonu puts forward following questions
1. After draupadi swayamvar Karna is defeated by Arjun

2 KArna was defeated in Gandharva episode . he was captivated [fled by some] abandoning Duryodhan and army . he was rescued by ARJUN .

3. In Viraat episode Arjun single handedly defeats Drona Bheeshma and Karna all put together and Karna flees from the battlefield .

4.When Drona demands gurudakshina to capture Drupada .Duryodhan along with Karna attack drupad but is defeated and rooted and driven away. Arjun wins Drupad.

Why did Karna lose here [ he had kavach kundal and boons everything] ? isn’t these loses prove him to inferior.

Surya defends : 1.Karna was unprepared . he did not expect Bramhin to be serious adversary and hence lost .
2. In Gandharva episode , Karna was surprised [ if you are expecting Veerappan and suddenly if you find israelies what can you do] so because of element of surprise[ gandharva was superior] was there he lost . show similar incident for Arjun and I shall accept.
3. In viraat parva too He was not aware Arjun was before him hence he was unprepared.
Unpreparedness makes a warrior vulnerable . It is common and need not hamper Karna’s greatness .

Chiraan shows : Arjun similarly fought chitrarathj gandharva when he did not even have a bow and arrow and surprising attack in night , he hurled torch as astra and defeated gandharva.

Surya how can a gandharva be thought of formidable opponent . You mst show some serious incident [ Karna lost to Gandharva because gandharva was superior , yet when Arjun wins without weapons ,.it is just gandharva] – self contradictory

Hariprasad jury points out ,
How come Bramhin [arjun in disguise ] was not taken seriously by Karna , he had just demnonstrated a superior skill which all kshatriys and Karna himself could not achieve [stringing of bow and hitting of fish] Having witnessed superior skill Karna should have been more prepared , and Karna led the attack .so did he lead without preparation .

Surya :’ Karna thought it was roadside bramhin who could have got a boon to win swayamvar but will perform miserable in duel.’[- self contradictory]

Chiraan says ‘ if that were true why did all kshatriyas together fought one single bramhin.. jarasandha was most feared demon in those days , when he failed and Bramhin succeeded that means he was superior to jarasandha , Atleast Karna should have estimated that and he was prepared and defeated .

Hariprasad shows , in virat Drona declares ‘ its arjun coming to fight and then Karna says even if it is Arjun he can vanquish “ these words show he was well prepared and he did see Arjun before him and knew it was Arjun. And he lost pathetically and fled the battlefield.

Surya , “ karna was expecting Virats , But he saw Arjun at the last moment and there was no time for preparation ,hence Karna was unprepared and hence lost but that does not show him to be less than Arjun.
Otherwise Why Yudhisthir will say ‘ he lost sleep for 13 years thinking about Karna despite these setbacks’
Chiraan’ Yudhisthir has said same thing about Krishna too ‘ he said how can we vanquish jarasandha , as Krishna himself could not vanquish hinm.’
Yudhisthir is known to worry unnecessarily , his worry does not make Karna a great. The by his worry even Krishna is susceptible to Jarasandha [ which is clearly unacceptable]

Hariprasad jury asks , In drupad war , it is clearly mentioned that Duryodhan and Karna and all brothers get into competition as to who will first get to Drupad. Here Karna is well prepared .Karna knows the opponents as Drupad and Panchalas , He knows their strength and he was fully equipped with kavach kundal and bow VIJAY everything.
The why did he lose ?

Surya says “ this was drona ‘s war and Karna was not interested in winning it . He was less enthusiastic so he lost. We cannot consider this loss as mark of inferiority.�[ self contradictory] Karna lost even when prepared. And opponent surya accepts it.

Haripasad Jury says ‘ Surya’s remarks defies elementary logic. ‘
Karna lost to Drupad , Arjun thrice ,Gandharva ,Bheemasen Ghatotkach, Satyaki , Abhimanyu . He also failed to string the bow in Draupadi Swayamvar. So with so many failures Karna cannot be declared as Supreme Warrior .
Arjun is undoubtedly a superior warrior than Karna as he never lost a Battle until Krishna was there on the earth.

 
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Posted by on June 13, 2009 in Jyotish

 

Pashandamatha Khandan-Refutation of Jain Philosophy

12 Jun

• When eighth lord is in lagna , the native is Vishnu drohi.
• When tenth lord is in eighth native engages in devaninda
• When eighth lord is in eigth, native is anyathavadi[Vitand]
• When eigth lord is in ninth one is nastik[atheist],pashandi
• When saturn and rahu are in eigth one indulges in Himsa [ violence]

Vishnu took avatara as “budhdha” to delude many ‘tripurasuras’ .Some of these were reborn as sons of jin and came to be known as Jains.

Jains refute violence .
They believe in Ahimsa.

People believing in Vedas carry out yagnya .In yagnya Pashu himsa [animal sacrifice ] is common.. Jains say this is deplorable and hence it is violence and against dharma . Thus Vedas are not truth and not acceptable.

Pontiff Vadiraaj says “ Oh Jains , your ancestor Jin [The one who has propagated your philosophy] was born in Kaliyuga. Even before he was born Indra has done 100 ashvamedha yaga and became eligible for Indra post.
Bramha obtained the post of Bramha by performing ‘Rajsuya yaga’ Vashishtha ,prithuchakravarthi etc infinite people have done yagas .Were these all ancestors ,ignorant than kali born Jina .

Jains proclaim” Pashuhimsa in yagnya is noble to you because it was carried out by Indra and others , as they were born before Jina. Then we ask you your Sri Madhvacharya was born after Jina was born . Then why is Jain philosophy brought before birth of Madhacharya not acceptable?”
Jains” So just as jain philosophy though born before Madhvacharya is challenged by you , similarly yagnya and pashu himsa is also susceptible to challenge even if it is done prior to Jina”

Vadiraja” our Madhvacharya has taken birth in Kaliyuga at the same time he has accepted Vedas and the culture of earlier born Indra and others. But jina has taken birth in Kaliyuga and is challenging the prachin anushthana [ tradition] .
So the comparison doesn’t stand as it is the question of challenging tradition ancient and not person born ancient.
Just because Jina was born prior to so and so his challenge to tradition cannot be taken as acceptable because all born prior have not challenged tradition

Jain” Brahma ,Indra have done Yagnya , you proclaim,! How should we believe theat they have done so?”
Vadiraaj “ Bramha has done Rajsuya and the Place is famous by Name ‘ Prayaag’ even today . Indra is famous as ‘shatakratu’[one who has done 100 yagnyas] .Vashishtha is known as ‘paramyagnik’
Vishwamitra is known to have taken RAMA to save yagnya in ‘ramayana’
Horses were known to be left to circle earth for Ashwamedha and many who intercepted , battled out for supremacy ! All these are well known in history and famously recited traditionally for years .’
Thus the yagnyas were done priorly by Bramha Indra etc are without doubt acceptable

Jains:” Because Indra etc have done Yagnyas and Pashuhimsa is part and parcel of yagnya and thus it is acceptable is what you say ! But why cant we think these Bramha ,Indra etc were under illusion that they got results due to Yagnya , they might have as well got good fortunes without these rituals as well ? But it could be their illusion [ bhranthi ,bhrama] that they have acquired good results through Yagnya ! why this cannot be true ! How should we believe that results came only because of pashu himsa in Vedic rituals. They could have erred in doing so and we say they have and hence Animal sacrifice is wrong”

Vadiraaj:” If results were achieved by mere simple exercises like agricultural poghing etc or any other simple less exerting exercises or phenonmenon , then perhaps your statements that they might have been illusioned may sustain .
But A Vedic ritual involves lot of expenditure running into crores of rupees and also it requires lot of exertion with regards to fasting months together and resorting to penance and niyamas . were so many infinite people Bramha and Indra and others ‘fools [aviveki ]to have undergone so much labour and exertion. Why would so many follow to [illusive] exercise , if it were [bhrama] and waste crores of rupees and at the same time exertion of body . Will an entire civilization spend and toil for benefits that were illusive.
How have you understood them as subject to illusion ? illusion can be resorted to only when it is easily available or achievable , yagnyas like ashwamedha , rajasuya are not easy and effortless activies . so to make such activities one has to be quite knowledged. And sure!!”

Jains:” By killing[sacrificing] animals in rituals no result would have been possible , it is cold blooded murder and cruelty onto animal”

Vadiraj” Vedic mantras purify these animals and that becomes havissa for the deity and diety happy at it gives Swarga to the animal [soul]sacrificed and also to the performer goes to swarga”
King gives salary [money ] to the soldiers and asks them to fight a war , thses soldiers die . They achieve swarga and King by murdering[ violence to soldier] these soldiers on his behalf [giving money] is not known to have acquired sin. Even this King also goes to swarga for waging war.

Doctor undertake himsa [violence] while operating on patients they give misery to him and yet when he is cured he blesses Doctor . so Himsa is not always deplorable , at times it is acceptable in this world and it is seen”
Likewise before animal is subjected to violence and the it is laos given happiness in swarga ,which all by itself this animal could never have got !!”
Jains:” So you accept that there is some element of dukha to animal while sacrificing ! why cant we say that yagniks are adharmik because they are giving dukha to animal “

Vadiraj:” Jin advises ‘ Shravak ‘ vrat whereby ‘keshollunchan ‘ each strand of hair is uprooted ,this this not painful and dukhakar ‘ isn’t Jin who advices such a painful activity violent [himsak] . But he advises so that end result is happy .and just as you accept him yagniks are acceptable”

Jains:” Nobody has seen an animal sacrificed in ritual going to swarga , so swargaprapti for animal is false”

Vadiraj:” Jains believe in the words of Jin and resort to ‘panchamaldharan ‘[ ie withholding all the secretions of eyes ears ,mouth,genital and anus] expecting some happiness that is to come in future. This happiness has also been not seen by anyone till date . How come you don’t feel like animals [which incidentally also don’t clean mouth anus etc forever] and yet believe in this Jin for some expected happiness.”

Jains:” Okay then we cannot establish our future happiness and neither can you establish pashuhimasa as swargaprada , so are we not sailing in the same boat”

Vadiraaj :” Definitely not !! Vashishtha etc had the ability to go swarga and there they have witnessed the sacrificed animal enjoying in swarga ! By the experiences of these great Rishis we have come to know about happiness of sacrificed animals and also yagnyakarta.”
“ Jin is not known to be capable of foretelling the status of panchamaldhari’s , but vashishtha is famous as trikalgnyani “
Jin being so there is no proof either textual or fact!
To be contd ……………..

Krishnarpanamastu

 
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Posted by on June 12, 2009 in Jyotish

 

Vada Vadi Partivadi – Refutation of Charvak

11 Jun

• The person who puts forth the first statement or concept or accusation is known as Vadi.
• One who defends himself from accusation or protects his own logic is Prativadi
• There are actually four types of discussions –
• samvaada,
• vaada,
• jalp and
• vitanDa.
• samvaada is the discussion between the teacher and the taught as is shree krishna-arujuna samvaada. The student does not question the teacher but questions his understanding for clarification. This type of discussion can occur only when the student surrenders himself completely at the feet of the teacher.
• Vaada – is the discussion between two equals for mutual enhancement of knowledge – the purpose is to settle what the truth is. Both come to the table for discussion with an open mind and the discussion is based on some accepted pramaaNa -of the authority –
• Jalpa is where each debater comes to the table with preconceived notion that he is right and the other fellow is wrong. The other fellow also comes with the same notion. The purpose of the discussion is only to conver the other fellow to his camp. There is no knowledge that takes place in these discussions. Even if one is loosing his arguments, he only goes and comes back with more ammunition to defend himself. Only lot of noise. But those who are bystander can learn the defect in each of their arguments and they can learn out of these discussions.
• Vitanda – is some what peculiar. In these discussions one is ready to take up the other fellows arguments, which he himself does not believe in, but argues against the other fellow just to prove that he is wrong. This is also accepted arguments and is used very effectively to prove there is no credibility for the opponent. You are wrong, not because the statement by itself is wrong but it is wrong because you made that statement.
• When Benefics are in eleventh like Jupiter venus or mercury or if sun is in 11th then Prativadi wins the debate. Or the one who opens the debate looses.
• When these planets are in 10th then Vadi wins.
• When one opens the debate in an ascendant ,the 4th from which happens to be fiery sign , the opponent runs away
• If sun tenants lagna or 10th house or benefics occupy them there will be increase of knowledge .jupiter increases knowledge venus poetic skills and mercury communication skills.
• In 10th a benefic will spread knowledge.

Madhvacharya has written an exclusive grantha “ Katha Laxan “ explaining the various forms of debates and methods to tackle them and types of proof to present to uphold VEDAS.

Here is sample debate Of Acharya with a Charvak .

A charvak is an atheist . [ Charu- sweet Vak- speech ] [ I would term it as Kshar vak ]
A charvak was a Brahmin who believed only in perception . Acquiring of Knowledge through sense perception alone. He refutes inference and Vedas or textual scriptures as not reliable in matters of knowledge.

A charvak is modern theory of materialism ; Yesterday has gone by , Tomorrow is not yet seen , SO live in the present and enjoy. Enjoy and celebrate your senses even if you have to borrow money , without adhering to any dharma or bindings.

Out of the aphorisms of Brihaspati came a whole school of Hindu materialists, named, after one of them, Charvakas. They laughed at the notion that the Vedas were divinely revealed truth; truth, they argued, can never be known, except through the senses. Even reason is not to be trusted, for every inference depends for its validity not only upon accurate observation and correct reasoning, but also upon the assumption that the future will behave like the past.

One may ask why there are so many philosophies in the world, why the debates and why cant only one dharma prevail. Why?
The answer is
1) dourlabhyaat shuddha-buddheenaam [due to lack of pure intellect]
2) baahulyaat alpavedinaam [due to lot of ignorant people]
3) duraagraha-gRuheetatvaat [due to prejudices]
4) vartante samayaaH sadaa || [all faiths remain for ever]

The discussion goes thus:
Charvak: I believe in only sense perception .

Madhvacharya: How did you come to know about your belief!
Charvak: No answer! [Belief is not perceived by any senses]

Charvak proclaim only eyes etc senses [jnanendriya] are true. This statement is self contradictory. Here if one relies purely on the senses for knowledge then one is denying the self and its existence as the one who is actually gaining the knowledge.
This self is not visible or heard.
We say” this is my hand “this is my body “, the word my is indicative and is inferred by someone inside as neither hand nor the body that is seen or heard is “me”.
The self contradictory [vyahatha bhasha] is imperative in Charvak’s words. What is vyahatha?

It is akin to saying “My mother is a barren woman”
The sentence itself shows it is wrong and contradictory.
If the mother was barren how did she become a mother!!!!!

If a charvak is teaching his student his philosophy, how can he deduct that student has learnt his philosophy, by facial expression? He will have to somewhere infer it.
So inference has to be accepted by Charvakas.

Third is the textual proof. Charvak says it cannot be believed.
What people say what Vedas say, what religion says need not be true
.
Let us ask a Charvak what day is today?
Charvak says it is Thursday!

How did he come to know that?
Either he will have to refer a calendar for that and
Accept the text written “Today is Thursday”
So Charvak is accepting Textual proof as well.

Let us also give him “sentences -Text is not acceptable”
Charvak if he says he does not accept
then he is accepting that Text is acceptable !
If he says yes text is not acceptable
then he is accepting the given sentence as proof !

Thus beyond doubt Charvak becomes a vyahatha Bhashi.

Vedvyasa in Brahma sutra refutes Charvak matha by following aphorism

|| Om abyugamepi arthaabavaath Om ||

• Philosophy is meant to increase happiness.
• Happiness more than what we presently have.
• Philosophy is meant to reduce miseries in present birth and freedom from misery forever.
• If philosophy does not say what to do and what not to do , the it is of no use
• The perception and relying solely on it is form of self denial and existence
• It is akin to ignoring self
• So such philosophy should be discarded.

Krishnarpanamastu

 
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Devakanya- the Story of Tapti

10 Jun

• When mars ,jupiter and venus are associated in one rashi [yuti] then the subject will have a devata stree [ or qualities of devata like] woman as his wife.
• When upapada lord is exalted and in devalokamasa , a devata will be the wife of the native.
• In all the above combinations Woman will be begged to be wife of the suitor MAN . Woman will be pampered and the person having such combination will perform penace ,vows and extraordinary acts to express his love to the concerned woman . The woman invariably has the man yearn for her.
Kings like Pururava , Shantanu and Samvarna are known to have married the woman from heavens. This is unique Human form is different and Devatas have different bodies. Yet when celestials are born on earth , their wives also take birth as human and they marry . But The kings mentioned above had different ccases. These were born as Human , yet their wife never took birth on earth , they married thses Kings remaining in their Devata form only.
Thus the yoga of having Devakanya as wife can be seen in these horoscopes.

Once a beautiful daughter was born to celestial god of light SUN . He named her TAPTI She was perfect damsel with large dark eyes. Her heavenly form was unparalleled in three worlds. Sun grew anxious as to whom he should give his daughter to . HE decided to give her in marriage to the one who deeply loves her and at the same time is equally beautiful .
In the lunar race was born a King named Samvarna. He was very handsome and known for posseing a beautiful body . He was equally ascetic . He He prayed Surya [Tapana] everyday with arghya padya and pushpa gandha etc to attain glory and fame . he was a king ruling entire jambudweepa , soothing as moon to friends and scorching as sun to Enemies.
Once the King went into deep forests over the mountains .Wandering deep into woods , his steeds[horses ] gave way due to thirst and fatigue. King left those horses there and walked deep into the mountains.
As he was tired , he fell down on the ground. Just then he saw a bright light emanating far away rising towards the skies.
He felt curious and neared the light to see a very beautiful damsel , with perfect faultless features. She was exceedingly beautiful , and as she strode around , the light enmanating from her body dazzled and lit the forest like a early morning Sun. In form she resembled a golden statue such was the hue of her skin. . King dumbstruck at her beauty went near her and stood motionless at her sight. His heart was aching with the strike of cupids arrow.
Love struck King said “oh great beauty with large dark eyes , you do not seem to be a human nor a gandharva or nor yaksha . neither I see arakshas or asura maya as they cannot come near me. The apsaras are nowhere remotely nearer to you in beauty and luster . Are you the goddess of wealth , it cannot be as I am struck with unbearable KAMA , you cannot be one. Oh beautiful one who are you.? I desire your company forever in my life. My life feels like a wasteful burden until now , as I see you I feel a new zeal to live a life exclusively for you.”
As King Samvarna was speaking these words the beautiful damsel , vanished from the sight of mortals , like a lightning . there was darkness all around.. Deeply hurt and unable to bear the pain and permanently lovestruck King lost his senses and fell on the ground thinking about the girl he had just seen.
After sometime seeing the handsome King unconscious , Tapti appeared again and with a sprinkle of water on the king’s face she woke him up to senses. King opening his eyes finding his love standing before him could not believe for a moment and not differentiating the reality and illusion asked whether the beautiful daughter of SUN to dispel his illusion.” King spoke “ oh the beauty with heavenly hue , know me to be drawn to you as the bhramar towards the lotus, I beg you to be my wife for I desire not to live without you. “
Tapti spoke thus” Oh ruler of earth Know this to be real , You are brave and illustrious among men , who in the three worlds will not desire to marry such a handsome and pious gem among men. Know yourself to be in my heart pleased as I am to know that you love me to the point of bewilderment. Your losing senses at my disappearance speaks of my good fortune. But I am not independent in taking decisions . I am bound by the decisions of my father the Sun . If he so wishes I shall be your wife serving you all my life at your feet . “

Saying this She ascended to the heavens with a splurge of light rising towards the surya loka. The king fell on the ground again motionless , as there never was a moment before a devakanya ever getting married to a human [manava] . Sun being his aradhya devata he dared not to make such a proposal , but his heart could not let go the thought of beautiful Tapti , it yearned for her and with every moment passing the King lost all his senses and fell to ground like a heap of grain.

Seeing King not returned for long , the ministers searched the entire forest and finally found the King lying on the ground. The ministers assured King there would food made available immediately and water and drinks were fetched, but King would take none. The rajvaidya declared him to be afflicted mentally. King refused to be moved from forests and to partake food or drink.
He neither moved his lids nor his body and stay laid in the midst of the forest on the mountain top gazing at the sun. Not knowing King’s plight the ministers grew anxious and slowly whole of the King’s well wishers started praying for him. Just then Rishi Vashishtha came by , with his divine knowledge and divyadrishti he soon found out the plight of the KING.
He ascended with the power of his tapasya towards heavens . he went to Surya loka and Sun looking at the bramhan bramharishi Vashishtha at his doorstep offered arghya padya and madhu . He said unto the rishi , “ blessed as I am by your arrival oh great Bramhan . I see my abode graced by lord , appearing in your form unto my place of dwelling. I shall give you whatever you ask for , in this three worlds whatever you desire for shall be yours ! kindly order. “
Hearing these words Vashishtha spoke “ Oh father of Beautiful Tapti , I ask you to accept King Samvarna as your Son inlaw , for there is no one as beautiful as him among Devatas and manavas , He is the best of the rulers in the three worlds , just like Indra , he is rules justly the land of mortals. He is pious and given to austerities. He is of noble race and ardently devoted to you and his duties towards the subjects. He is befittingly the best suit for your daughter as also she has secretly given her heart to him , and awaits your permisiion . The king has forsaken food , water and readied himself to end his life for his love towards your daughter .Know him to be best for Tapti.and also to mankind”
Surya the deity of light happily exclaimed” what good fortune has fallen on my Daughter , the proposal so brought by the greatest of Bramahanas , how can it be not accepted , Indeed I shall be bestow my daughter to the greatest scion of human clan . Know that it was indeed my wish too ,to have him as my son inlaw , you have relieved me of a great pain and search for a suitable groom. “

Together with Tapti Sun descended illuminating the whole of forest like a fire , There the King on the twelfth day of his fast and vow , on seeing Tapti and Sun elated and partook food and bowed to Sage VAshishtha .
The marriage was celebrated in the three worlds. King dwelled in the same forest for another twelve years leaving the kingdom to his ministers.
Sun in order not to disturb the lovelife of her daughter in the forest did bnot give rains for twelve full years. And shone mildly with gentle breeze and prosperous flora and fauna.

King enjoyed the company of his beautiful wife for twelve years , but by then his capital was forced into draught due to lack of water and rains. People grew sick and struck with diseases , the city resembled the city of dead. Vashishtha looking at the plight of the people asked the kIng to return to the capital , as King and his auspicious wife [Devakanya] stepped into the city , sun gave full rains and farms grew green and city flodeed with milk and precious stones much to the delight of citizens.

To these illustrious couple was born the greatest Kings of all time “KURU”
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Thus gandharva told ARJUN the story of his preceptor “KURU” . And advised Yudhisthir to look for a able priest . As Without able bramhin priest heading the family , a Person or KING cannot prosper. Kings desirous of wealth and Kingdom and fulfillments of wishes must seek a bramhin Priest well versed in all the shastras and Vedas and six vedangas as Raj purohit . Just As Vashishta enabled Samvarna to obtain his wishes , so you too Yuidhisthir shall obtain your destiny By the blessing of DHOUMYACHARYA.

 
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Posted by on June 10, 2009 in Jyotish

 

Why was Mahabharta tampered?

09 Jun

• When mercury is afflicted by malefic in earthy signs, a discussion on pollution of literary works definitely occur.
• When such a combination is in Kendra, falsifying great works and tenets and illusive arguments take place.
• When such combinations occur in second house, invariably persons lie.
• When Jupiter is in Kendra to such combination, such allegations are usually cooked up.
• The extent of pollution depends upon the number of shad Vargas in which mercury is aspected/associated by malefic

MAHABHARATHA has been tampered thoroughly. WHY?

After 1000 years of PANDAV rule dharma started eroding on the earth. I.e. that was 4000 years ago .i.e. Yuhdisthir ruled 5100 years ago and his dynasty ruled for 1000 years. With Kshemak as the last king.
Duryodhan had done only one good deed in his lifetime that is washing the feet of DURVASA muni. [This also he did to ask a boon to trouble Pandavs]. For this he achieved swarga for 4300 years.
This was the period i.e. 13th century when KALI expanded full throttle.

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1. In previous eras there ensued direct fight between Rakshasa and Devatas. Rakshasa headed by Kali were always vanquished By Devatas with the help of Vishnu
2. In dwapar, Kali decided that If Vishnu does not interfere; if we take birth in the same family as that of Devatas then these Devatas will, out of affection will not kill us. { This explains why Duryodhan did not come out of womb for two years till Yudhisthir took birth }
a. Krishna gives Geetopadesha to remove the illusion of relationship wrt Rakshasas and go for WAR. Krishna always vanquishes Kali with VAYU as chief instrument.
b. In Ramayana RAM[Vishnu] Vanquished Kali [in RAVAN] with chief instrument Hanuman [ Vayu]
c. In Mahabharata , Krishna [Vishnu] Vanquished Kali[ Duryodhan] with chief Bheema[ Vayu]
3. When beaten severely, All the Rakshasas were afraid to incarnate due to the fear of Bheema.
4. Kali assured them as it is Kaliyuga, it is his Yuga and Lord has given him boon to freely rein in this era.
5. But other demons were not convinced and showed fear of Bheema reincarnating.
6. Then Kali suggested they should all take birth as Brahmins , so that they will not be killed .
7. But how will they be able to spread violence and unhappiness
8. Kali said , people follow what Brahmins say , Brahmins have extreme faith in Vedas and itihas puranas. These lead to pleasing of Vishnu .
9. If these are distorted then automatically people will get into delusion .this will prevent them from getting Grace of Vishnu , and fallen as they will be , we shall enter them and these will resort to violence , greed and sins.
10. As this can be achieved by preaching wrong notions , we shall all take birth as Bramhins and sanyasis , masses will follow us .Born as Brahmins we are , Bheema cannot kill us , as it is taboo .
11. Just as 1000 years were completed , lord enaced Baudhdha avatar to preach non vedic religion , taking a cue , Kali took the birth of shakya muni and several others took births as mishra , kumar bhat , bhasas, arya, harsha,govind,charvak ,bhaskar ,prabhakar ,kapali ,ghoramitra ,vachaspati ,satyasimha ,vidyaranya ,vetal ,vatsyayan,jeevpada etc.
12. All the above mentioned bramhins have especially distorted a branvh of learning giving rise to new philosophy.
13. All resorted to Bhairav sidhhi to enchant the rulers and killed many Vedic pandits by deceit and demonic spells. Illusion prevailed all over as non vedic religions started spreading everywhere and grocery shops , and Kingly courts became favorite preaching premises of non vedic culture.
14. Next few centuries saw onslaught of such culture with non kshatriya Kings easily succumbing to indrajala of shakyas and pashand mata , as this gave them a freedom from bramhin stronghold in the administration.
15. As 8th century dawned , Budhism was everywhere as it was non vedic culture , Most Bramhins did not take to it , itihas and puranas as misinterpreted by these did not appeal to the masses .
16. So Kali sent demon manimanta [ Ekalavya] , who was reluctant . All the demons from patala encouraged him , and announced support by entering his opponents to get disillusioned.
17. Manimantha prayed Lord Shiva to assist him in knowing Vedas . Shiva gave a boon to utter vedic verses.and Ekalavya was born as bramhin.
18. Manimantha spread the new concept of illusion of world and absence of soul.
19. This however technically was not at all different from Budhism as budhism too dealt with Shunya [ whether you call world unreal or shunya ] does that make any difference ] but now this new concept had the backing of Vedas.
20. This misrepresentation was acceptable to Bramhins and demonic spell ensured they all succumbed to this logic. [ Gautam rishi’s curse was also responsible for this illusion]
21. But most of the puranas and itihas [ MAHABHARATa] was still theistic in nature and it contradicted with monotheism of the post 8th century scholarly compositions.
22. To make these texts[ Mahabharata and puranas] look like upholding monotheism and qualified monotheism , the verse where explicit dualism was present was altered . Agni purana was fully tampered and slowly all puranas succumbed at the hands of rulers .
23. Most ardent vedic Scholars flew beyond mountains not bearing the torture of the lands . And thus three centuries of Confusion and malpractises ensued .
24. Vedic rites were not performed as it was meant to be illusionary ,no yagnyas were performed as it involved bali , sacrifice of animals and Jain rulers were against it.
25. Vedvyasa prayed by Bramha and other deities at the failing situation of dharma in Land of Gods . ordered Bheema to incarnate and spread the right knowledge .
26. A part of Bheemasen[ amsha] incarnated in UDUPI [ PAJAK] in the house of Madhygeha Bhat [ tulu speaking bramhin ] as Vasudev .
27. Vasudev at the age of 10 renounced the world and became ordained as Anandteertha .
28. As his teacher Achyutpreksha readied him to teach first lesson in monotheistic book , Acharya Anandateertha explained a 100 mistakes in the very first verses of the book Istasidhdhi .
29. amazed at the ability of student Achyutpreksha asked Him as to what is right knowledge .
30. Acharya then propounded MADHVA philosophy .
a. That Vishnu is Supreme diety { GOD}
b. None is either equal to him or greater than him
c. Neither in the past or nor in future
d. This world is real
e. Moksha is unmixed happiness
f. It is obtained by perfect bhakti[ amlabhakti]
g. Study of shastras is what ensures such bhakti
h. The world consists of five fold diference
i. Lord is essentially different from Soul .
j. Acharya wrote 37 grantha to prove and propound his philosophy
k. Nowhere Acharya said that this his philosophy
l. He said he is merely resurrecting what had bee practiced in Vedas in accordance with Vedvyasa rendering .
m. He gave only vedic and puranic verses as statements backing his claims.
n. He wrote Mahabharta Tatparya NIrnay to dispel the myths surrounding the epic .He collected many manuscripts and weeded out discrepancies and anomalies to give exact verses and meaning of the Mahabharat .
o. According to Acharya Mahabharata has 10 meanings and it is impossible even to Indra to understand all the 10 meanings
p. Acharya has demonstrated each word[name] in VISHNUSAHASRANAM has 100 meanings each .
q. Acharya Madhva ‘s works are too intense for a smaller brains like mine to grasp . In order to grasp the concepts , saint Raghavendra Swamy of Mantralayam has written more than 100 works simplifying the Anadateertha philosophy for common man with notes and commentary.
r. What has been presented here all along is in accordance with these
s. Krishnarpanamastu

 
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Posted by on June 9, 2009 in Astroanalysis, Astrology and purana

 

Summary of Debate on Arjun vs Karna -1

04 Jun

Debator
Surya | Chiraan
Jury
Hariprasad AMIt Nilambar
Obsever
Sonu NILESH

Chiraan invites Surya to a debate on
Whether is Karna is Superior to Arjun ?
Was Karna Evil ?
Chiraan starts the debate with invitation to decide which is authentic translation of MAHABHARATA ! Surya refuses to be drawn into debate on what is authentic and what is unauthentic ? He also refuses to be drawn into deciding what is evil?

Chiraan concludes that authentic translations should not contain anomalies and should remain faithful to the original Sanskrit Mahabharat by Vyasa and translation should conform to traditions of India .
Chiraan offers Surya to raise questions !

Surya opens debate with the birth of Karna
1. Had Kunti not abandoned Karna at birth , Karna would have been taught by Drona .Would not have attracted curses.
2. He would have occupied the throne
3. He would not have been abused racially
4. He would have married Draupadi
5. Duryodhan would not have waged war
So Kunti is irresponsible mother and the main reason for the debacle of Karna.

Chiraan argues :
1. Kunti is solely responsible for betterment of Karna .She is one woman who never had sex in her Life . Karna was not born out of premarital sex but as a boon from Durvasa through SUN ,who himself incarnated through her womb .Both Karna and Sun were uninvited guests to her house , she was all but six years of age ; When she was not in a position f raising the child ,she ensured him better upbringing
a. by giving him KAvach kundal [ physical protection]
b. Protection of Father [ Sun always spoke to Karna in distress]
c. Enough money /diamonds to ensure RADHA raises him
Surya argues : Had she confessed to Pandu about her son , he would have agreed to make him King

Chiraan : Even if she had agreed Karna would not become King as he is not son of Pandu

Kunti having given him up saved him from being called KANIN .and people of Hastinapur would not accept a KANIN to be a King as was evident when Duryodhan raised doubts over Yudhisthir none objected until Vedavyasa came and told that they were born in presence of PANDU ..
Since he was not suspected as KANIN , he ,karma got best education from Parshuram [GOD] himself better than Arjun .
He got best astras and weapons than ARJUN .
He got better education is known from the fact that He exhibited all that Arjun exhibited during tournament.
KArna could not have become KING .
Duryodhan made him a king against the rule of land .
Surya : when his archery was exhibited why was he not eligible to become a king.Why did Bheema abuse him

Chiraan: A suta is not kshatriya , he is charioteer but a higher caste. A suta cannot become King . only kshatriyas become King , A caste is determined not by birth but by sanskar[rites] that are performed. Karna had rites of SUta so he remained a suta. A suta cannot challenge a Prince , so unequal warfare was stopped between KArna and Arjun.

Surya Drona rejected Karna on grounds of caste ? injustice
Chiraan: Drona did not reject Karna on basis of Caste, but he rejected him because the He was teaching only princes of HAstinapur.

Surya : Parshuram would have rejected KArna had he told he was Kshatriya or suta , so he lied to him as bramhin and got education ! He was smarter
Chiraan: God is all knowing , he Knew Karna was Kshatriya and hence he taught him , but since he lied ,he was cursed. Had he told he was suta he would have got education as suta is higher caste and given education in gurukul .
But Karna wanted to excel in astra vidya more than other kshatriyas hence he lied as bramhins had more astra vidya than kshatriya . Proof Ashwaththama showed more proficiency in tournament than KArna and Arjun.

Surya : what’s wrong in zeal ?
Chiraan Teacher never teaches looking at zeal of the student but at the capacity of the student, zeal is not virtue !

So it was good fortune of Karna he had better education than Arjun and God gave him so , and not Karna tricked him , else that would raise doubts over all knowing quality of GOD ,which is clearly unacceptable.

Surya : Karna would have married Draupadi , as he would not have been rejected by Draupadi as suta and he would have hit the fish in swayamvar.

Chiraan: Karna failed in Swayamvar , He could not string the bow leave aside hitting the mark.
Surya has been all along debating upon relying on Kisari Mohan Ganguly Translation of Mahabharata.
But the same translation shows in one passage Karna as being rejected by Draupadi , just as he strung the bow and was ready to hit the mark .In the very next passage Ganguly writes Karna along with Shalya failed in stringing the bow.
This constitutes anomaly and renders the translation as unauthentic .

Surya : the verse where People failed to string the bow are : Radha’s son , vakra and shalya , here Radha’s son is another son of RADHA [Karna’s brother and not Karna]

Chiraan: was this Radha’s son not suta , then how Draupadi did not object to this one participating .
Surya says Draupadi had a double standard.
Chiraan : If Ganguly’s version is translation then in original Sanskrit it is written as “KARNA’ and “SHALYA” as failed to string and not Radha’s son ; Ganguly has tampered the text by translating KARNA as radha’s son .

Surya acuses Chiraan of being like mullahs and evangelist who resort to Arabic or Hebrew when cornered.

Chiraan : whether Hebrew or Arabic or Sanskrit , A word KArna would mean Karna only Chiraan gives alternate translation from Russian library and ISCKON writings. This version of ADI parva Mahabharata says Karna did not string the bow and failed in Swayamvar and there was no abuse from Draupadi.
C.Rajgopalachary renowned Sanskrit scholar says Karna did not string the bow but failed by hairs breadth.
Swaminathan in his book also says KArna failed. This book is read in universities.
Swamy Vivekananda expresses Karna was not rejected by Draupadi.

Surya says , these are all abridged versions amd drawn from internet dustbin and cannot be taken as authentic . Ganguly is authentic because it is approved by Wikepedia.
Chiraan shows Wikepedia is not authentic as anyone can change contents.

Jury Amit agrees radhaa’s son is Karna only . But raises a doubt if Karna could string VIJAY a bow given by Parshuram then how could he not string relatively lesser bow . so common sense suggests Karna strung the bow.

Chiraan : Though Vijay is superior bow , it is a boon from Parshuram and Karna could lift it with boon . So could Arjun lift Gandeev because of boon , so also Drupad’s bow was presented with a rider only Arjun could string. Moreover Gandeev and Vijay were celestial bows did not require stringing as they were auto strung.

Surya says : karma stringing is there in authentic RC DUTT translation, why it cannot be deemed that chiraan is fabricating incidents rather than Ganguly who is acclaimed by scholars?

Jury Hariprasad says , R C Dutt has also fabricated as , instead of Radha’s son ,he has written shishupal , if Ganguly is authentic then it becomes Radha’s son as failed , and RC DUTT says shishupala . how come two authentic translation give different translation of same verse.
It shows anomaly. He gives verdict as Karna did not abuse and did not string the bow and failed in swayamvar.

Chiraan says.
The whole of Mahabharat is recited by SUTA , the son of lomaharshan . The very first verse in Mahabharata starts with Saunaka asking Oh Son of suta , please recite Mahabharata .
Suta is born to bramhin mother Kshatriya Father . If both parents are higher caste how child is relegated to be abused caste. Then how come Saunaka rishi and other bramhin rishis are learning from SUTA the great epic of Mahabharta.
The Ganguly text translates the first verse as SAUTI says’
Instead of Suta uvacha .
The first verse itself has anamoly . So SUta is not a racial abuse , and pseudo sympathy for Karna as being abused as SUTA does not stand logically as he never was abused.
He clearly failed in Swayamvar. If Draupadi were not interested in him , then he would not have been Invited, twice DRUPAD and Dhristadhyumn mention his name as invitee to the swayamvar . if he were unwelcome his name would have been struck or never mentioned. After mentioning his name , Drupad and Dhristadhyumn makes a vow that whoever strikes will get Draupadi. So Draupadi could not have gone against the words of Father and Brother as she was epitome of virtue.
So KArna clearly failed in Swayamvar . and Thus HE was inferior to ARJUN .

Neutral Jury Nilambar upholds the view of Chiraan . Observers SONu and Nilesh also feel the arguments by Surya are insufficient to Prove Karna succeeded in Swayamvar.

 
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Posted by on June 4, 2009 in Jyotish

 

Lord Krishna Praises Karna!

18 May

One of the strongest points that  followers of Karna [ as invincible] have is the words of Krishna  praising Karna ,on the eve of death of Ghatotkach . Krishna say’s

  • Karna is given to austereties
  • Karna is one abiding by bramhins and Devatas
  • Karna is not given to falsehood .
  • [He says to PArshuram ,I am anatha , all orphans and other creatures as well  are children of GOD,You are GOD and YOU are Bramhin , thus I said I am bramhin  ]
  • KArna cannot be slayed by INDRA ,YAMA ,VARUNA
  • KArna , cannot be vanquished not even Sudarshan Chakra 

    • All this because He has Kavach kundal.

    What was so great about Kavach Kundal . It was an armour given as boon to KARNA by SURYA .

    Can a boon by Surya make Karna invincible even to Devatas and Narayana ? let us analyse ;

     

    • Nivat kavach rakshas too had boon of kavach , Nothing could pierce the kavach . Kavach could not be cut or destroyed by Devatas . This was the boon given to nivat kavach by BRAMHA .
    • Indra gives his vajrayudh and Kirit [ hence ARJUN is called KIRITI] to ARJUN and sends him to fight with nivat kavach . Arjun destroys the Kavach of nivath kavach and makes Indra happy . [ boon is overtaken]
    • Jarasandha had boon of SHiva , never to die and be immortal , but BHeema kills him [ boon is surpassed ] .
    • JAyadrath had boon that he would be invincible to all PAndavs , but as Pashupat astra was given to Arjun , Shiva made it clear that except Arjun he would be invincible over Pandavs but only for a day . Bheema earlier had overtaken Shiva boon , but here HE let the boon happen , for Abhimanyu had to die .[ boon honoured ]
    • Kaalyavan had a boon by SHiva that He would Kill Krishna , but contrarily he died at the sight of MUCHIKUNDA . [boon overtaken][ boon to muchikunda honoured]
    • Samshaptakas had boon from Shiva [ not to lose in a battle ] but lose terribly to Arjun [ boon overtaken]
    • Kritavarma had a boon from Krishna , that he would be Invincible on a chosen day [ boon honoured ]
    • Satyaki had a boon from Krishna , that he would be invincible for a day [ boon honoured when he defeats all the kauravas]
    • Bhagadatta had a vaishnav astra from VARAHA Vishnu [ boon honoured ,as no PAndav ventured as long as he had the astra , when Krishna took on himself , he was killed by PAndav ] boon nullified .
    • Shrutdhanva had a mace which would make him invicible but would hit him back if he used it on unarmed , it fell on Krishna and his head blew up . [ boon nullified ]

    SO at times boons were honoured and at times boons were dishonured to show that KRISHNA is the master of the UNIVERSE and not the bestower of these boons . Thus he indicrimintaley ,randomly , honoured or dishonoured at his will . The fact that boons were dishonoured shows mere boons does not make one INVINCIBLE .

    Krishna’s Sudarshan has never come back without destroying the enemy when used . SO karna cannot be immuneto it , As even greater Rakshasas having boons of invincibilty are known to have succumbed to SUDARSHAN CHAKRA . Bhagavat is testimony to it , Entire puranas sing glory of VISHNU with CHAKRA having never failed .  Krishna has shrouded SUN himself with the Chakra [ jayadrath killing ], when SUN himself was overpowered , where his boons stand .

    KARNA is mere a mortal and pitiable mortal at that .

    WIth KAVACH kundal on he was vanquished by many . There is a incident in the mahabharata where , bheema hits the kavach during RAJASUYA digvijay , it hurts KArna to the point of death , just to honour Parshuram’s words and Surya’s boon , he does not break it .

    Karna accepts the soverignty of YUDHISTHIR and pays taxes . RAjsuya yagya is completed .[ without KArna accepting defeat , this Yagnya would not have deemed complete as Raajsuya is meant for rulership of all the world , KArna was part of world .

    No great warrior gives /accepts Superiority till his life/death , only when HE has love of LIFE , he accepts defeat . Karna feared losing LIFE despite KAVACH KUNDAL . This is also reflected in GANDHARVA episode , KARNA was captivated , a warrior will give life rather than get captivated , One gets captivated when he is helpless and fears LIfe . otherwise war takes place unto death .

    SO kavach and Kundal were not something that could save KArna's LIFE . Sudarshan is a highest weapon , its use  would definitely KIll KARNA , but as lord VOWED not to use weapons , using SUDARSHAN was unwarranted . ALSO as PArshuram Lord has promised protection to KARNA as long as he is without jealousy . BUT KARNA could never get rid of JEALOUSY towards ARJUN to the point he could not abide by LORD KRISHNA and KUNTI and SURYA [ the giver of KAVACH] .

    It was KArna’s inability to overcome SHADVAIRI [ KAAM KRODHA LOBHA MADA MOHA  MATSARYA ] that made him lose despite all the boons . ALl the good fortunes became useless ,

    • His repentance of not having Drona’s tutorship was well compensated by PARSHURAM [ Drona 's guru ] that made him equal to Drona himself [ is it not good fortune ]
    • He was made KING of ANGA even before YUDHISTHIRA could acquire a KINGDOM [ is it not good fortune ]
    • His skills were acknowledged and was parised everywhere [ is it not good fortune ]
    • He acquired ANother half of ANGA rajya from JARASANDHA [ is it not good fortune ]
    • EVEN when PAndavs were langusihing in forests , HE always had a Kingdom of his own and an emperor as a freind [ is it not good fortune ]
    • He had the protection of highest KInd [ KAVACH and KUndal] is it not good fortune .
    • His father SURYA always spoke to him in the times of distress [ Is it not good fortune ]
    • He was recognised by the whole world as a potential rival to ARJUN by whole world [ takshak's son chose him to take revenge ] is it not good fortune . [ getting support of enemies enemy ]
    • He was even offered a chance to Rule over his Rival ARJUN by KRISHNA [ is it not a good fortune ]
    • Except for the sanskara of SUTA all his life he led a life akin to a glorified  KSHATRIYA .[ is it not a good fortune ]

    He turned a blind eye to all these fortunes and out of ego , pride and jealousy , sided with the evil and lost all the fortune and perished . KAvach KUndal were for his safety till He grew into an adult , boons are meant for doing good in this world , when one misuses them they are taken back . INDRA took back the KAVACH because KArna had to be killed for his misdeeds . Boon of SURYA would be falsified . GOD CHOSE TO HONOUR SUN . [ ALSO IT SAVED KARNA FROM UTTER DISGRACE again good fortune ].

    MORAL : Never succum to shadvairi[ KAAM KRODHA LOBHA MADA MOHA MATSARYA] , all your good fortunes notwithstanding you shall perish unaided by LORD KRISHNA .

     

    krishnarpana

     
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    Posted by on May 18, 2009 in Astroanalysis, Daiva vs Purushartha - can destiny be changed?, karma, mahabharath

     

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    Karna -The Astrologer

    18 May

    When Krishna the lord of Universe offers Karna the lordship of the World to leave Duryodhan and side with Pandavas .

    Karn said – “You are right, Krishn, I now know that whatever you have said to me that  Kuntee bore me when she was a maiden through her connection with Soorya. At the command of Soorya she abandoned me as soon as I was born without thinking of my welfare. Soot Adhirath found me and took me home. There his wife Raadhaa brought me up with all her affection. Adhirath gave me the name Vasusen. When I grew up, I married the wives according to his selections. I have now sons grandsons through them. My all rites and religious duties are performed with Soot. With Duryodhan I have enjoyed sovereignty for over 13 years. Now when Duryodhan has decided to fight with Paandav considering me as against Arjun, I cannot go back because of fear, death or bloodshed. If I do not indulge with Arjun in single combat, it will be an insult to both of us. 

    I am sure that Paandav will do whatever you have said but for now, you must hide this for the benefit of both of us. Let Yudhishthir be king for ever. He has collected a great crowd of warriors. I am repenting for what I said to Paandav. Duryodhan is going to do a Yagya. When you will see me slain by Arjun then Punachiti of this Yagya will begin, when you will see Bheem drinking the blood of Dushaasan’s chest then the Som drinking of this Yagya will take place, and when the two sons of Drupad – Shikhandee and Drishtdyumn will overthrow Bheeshm and Drone, then this Yagya will be suspended for interval. When Bheem will kill Duryodhan then the Yagya of Duryodhan will be concluded. When all Kuru women will lament for their husbands and sons in the battlefield without their protector, it will be the last bath of this Yagya. [ Karna predicts the future ]

    I just pray you that don’t let these Kshatriya be perished miserably for thy sake. Let them die by weapons in the most sacred place among the three worlds. Whatever you have in mind, accomplish it on this spot only. Till I face Arjun in the field, keep our talks secret.”

    Krishn said – “O Karn, Don’t you wish to rule over the whole world? You know that Paandav’s victory is certain. Divine Bhaum has set up Hanumaan banner like Indra’s banner. Extended for one Yojan it will never be obstructed by any thing. When Arjun will twang his bow then that signs off all Yug (Sat, Tretaa and Dwapar). All kings will get excellent state after dying for Duryodhan in the battlefield.” Karn worshipped Krishn and said – “Knowing everything why do you want to baffle me? This war is going to happen. The great fierce planet Shani (Saturn) is afflicting the Nakshatra Rohinee which indicates the destruction on Prithvi. Mars is coming to Nakshatra  Anuraadhaa through Jyeshthaa indicating a great a slaughter of friends. Certainly a great calamity will come over Kuru family when the planet Mahaapat will afflicts the Nakshatra Chitraa. Moon’s position has changed and Raahu is also proceeding towards Soorya. A black circle surrounding the solar disc appears to view.” [ Karna's command on astrology can be seen here ]

    Krishn said – “Yes, The destruction of the world is at hand but you are not agreeing for it.” Karn said – “If we have come out of the war then we will meet here again, otherwise we shall surely meet in Heaven.” and embraced Krishn very hard. Keshav dismissed him and he came back with us.”

     

    Kunti went to Gangaa River where she heard Vedic mantra chanting by her son. Karn was standing facing east, so Kuntee stood waiting behind him burning in hot Sun. Then she shifted under the shade of upper cloth of Karn. And Karn continued his prayers until his back was very hot with Sun. Then he turned back and was surprised to see Kuntee standing there. He saluted her properly and bowing his head Vrish (Karn), the son of Vikartan (Adhirath), said to her – “I am Karn, Raadhaa and Adhirath’s sson. Why have you come here and what can I do for you?”

    Kuntee said – “You are Kuntee’s son, not Raadhaa’s, nor your father is Adhirath, nor you are born in a Soot family. I bore you when I was a maiden. You were born in the palace of Kuntibhoj. I gave you birth in my father’s house along with Kavach and Kundal on your body. You stand in Duryodhan’s camp not knowing your brothers, is not proper. Duryodhan has wickedly snatched Yudhishthir’s wealth. You take that wealth back from them and enjoy it. Let people call you like Raam Balraam. If you both are united what is in this world which cannot be accomplished?”

    As Kuntee finished, Karn heard a soft loving voice coming from Soorya – “What Prithaa is saying is true. Follow her words, it is for your good.” Karn could not answer immediately because his heart was following only truth. He said – “I cannot accept what you have said to me. Although I should obey you as you are my mother. You abandoned me as soon as I was born. This was the greatest injury you did to my life and fame. Thus I was deprived of all the rights of Kshatriya. You have never thought about my good before this and you are telling me something for my good today? Who is not afraid of Arjun? And if I go to Paandav today, people will say that “I did so because of fright”. Just to fulfill my own desires how can I leave Duryodhan’s friendship? They always respect me, bow down to me and wait on me. I will surely fight with Paandav. However except Arjun, your other four sons will not be slain by me. I will fight only with Arjun. Whether he will be slain, or me, in both cases my life will be glorified and your five sons will always be alive.”

    ————————————————————–end of extract ———————————————————

    Points to be noted in the above speech by Karna ;

    • Karna Knew he was going to be slained by ARJUN
    • Karna had complete knowledge of the Planetary scenario at the MAhabharata WAR , he was great astrologer as he completely predicts the future about Bheem slaying Kauravs .
    • Karna was chanting Vedic mantra [ Only higher caste chant VEdic mantra , Karna was not considered Low born as depicted ,soota is not low caste or untouchable]
    • One’s birth is not alone important in determining caste as much as His Sanskara , Karna had sanskara as SOOTA ,mark Karna’s words , and hence He remained a SOOTA all along even if Duryodhan gave him Kingdom, even if he was born a Kshatriya  . This was the point made in Vidyapradarshan BY BHEESHMA , when he objected to Arjun fighting Karna . That a Kshatriya should not fight with Soota at the competition .
    • Karna admits to Duryodhan’s Soverignty to as recent as 13 years and Not from the day He was made the King . why?
    • Karna was made the King when Yudhisthir and Duryodhan were around 25 years of Age .
    • Then intermittently pandavas suffered treason in Varnavat .
    • Then they were married in disguise .
    • When Pandavas went to Vanvas , Yudhisthir was 57 years old .
    • When they came back Yudhisthir was 70 years old .
    • So Karna should have told 50 years of soverignty , why 13 years .
    • because After Raajsooya Yagnya his Kingdom was snatched by BHEEMASEN and given back to him after his  acceptance of soverignty  of Yudhisthir .
    • The kingdom of Yudhisthir was usurped in dice by Duryodhan and hence 13 years of soverignty .
  • Karna is persuaded by Lord ,but  to only Fight Arjun he refuses Krishna’s Proposal [  Lord's command is not so important for him than his prestige [ego] that he will be declared coward . Lord could have as well made him a hero had he accepted , NO faith ! ]
  • Karna is persuaded by Kunti and SOORYA . He admits he must obey them but cannot for the desire of Fighting Arjun . Karna does not grant what his MOTHER asks for , only for his good ! [ DAANVEER of no use to MOTHER ].

    • krishnarpanamastu.

     
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    Posted by on May 18, 2009 in Astroanalysis, Astrology and purana, Daiva vs Purushartha - can destiny be changed?, karma, mahabharath, people and astrology, yashas -success in career

     

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    Superiority of Arjun vis-a-vis Karna – A Debate

    17 May
    Karna failed in Swayamvar . HE failed to even string the bow .
    Surya counters  Radha’s son is not KARNA but brother of Karna
    “And that bow which Rukma, Sunitha, Vakra, Radha’s son, Duryodhana, Salya, and many other kings accomplished in the science and practice of arms, could not even with great exertion, string”
    Views of Prof Pandurangi –
    HOD Sanskrit  Bangalore University Rashtrapati awardee , MAHAMAHOPADHYAYA Tirupati Sanskrit University
    “First Shishupala tried and failed. Then, Jarasandha, Shalya tried and failed. In the case of Karna a ticklish point is raised. According to North India recession of Mahabharatha Draupadi remarked that “Naham Variyam Sutham” I do not like to marry a charioteer. On the other hand when Arjuna asks Dhristadyumna whether a Brahmana can participate in the svayamwara contest, Dhristadyumna replies that “Brahmano Vatha Rajanyo Vaishyo va shudra aeva va?” Whetehr one is Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra if he can wield the bow and hit the mark, I shall give my sister. From this it is clear that Karna lost the chance by his incapacity bit not on the ground of his caste. The North Indian version seems to be interpolation.
    …………..end of extract ……………….
    C Rajagopalachary view 
    Sisupala, Jarasandha, Salya, and Duryodhana were among these unsuccessful aspirants. When Karna came forward, all the assemblage expected that he would be successful but he failed by just a hair’s breadth and the string slid back flashing and the mighty bow jumped out of his hands like a thing of life.
    Vivekananda View
    Now, there came kings and princes from different parts of India, all anxious to win the hand of the princess, and one after another they tried their skill, and every one of them failed to hit the mark.When all those princes failed in hitting the mark, then the son of King Drupada rose up in the midst of the court and said: “The Kshatriya, the king caste has failed; now the contest is open to the other castes. Let a Brahmana, even a Shudra, take part in it; whosoever hits the mark, marries Draupadi.” Among the Brahmanas were seated the five Pandava brothers. Arjuna, the third brother, was the hero of the bow. He lifted the bow in his hand, strung it without any effort, and drawing it, sent the arrow right through the wheel and hit the eye of the fish. 
    Then there was great jubilation. Draupadi, the princess, approached Arjuna and threw the beautiful garland of flowers over his head
     
     
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    Posted by on May 17, 2009 in Astroanalysis, mahabharath, people and astrology

     

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    Vedanta In Computer Science

    15 May
    • Second lord mercury exalted , saturn in gopuramsha or jupiter in simhasanamsha , the native will become a Vedantagnya;
    • Jupiter in kendra or trikona aspected by mercury or venus , saturn in paravatamsha , one inspects Vedata shatra .
    • jupiter in kendra , venus in uttamamsha in kendra and chandra in devalokamsha , native becomes vedantagnya .

    Operating system is the crucial ingerdient of the Computer . OS or Kernel  fors the foundation over which a computing task is accomplished in a machine . OS resides in the Computer , to  a outer world it is invisible , it stays in a realizable form to the students of Computer science , for all others its magic at work .

    • OS is in the form of KNowledge and is the King that commandes the resources of the computer .
    • Every Other ingredient is subservient to this KIng and It has a final say in all the activities of the Computer .
    • The other softwares can run on the computer but has to obey the dictum of OS and has to depend on the OS for its execution .
    • At any given Time OS has  greater say than the tertiary software , and directs the resources to be allocated to the software as per its capacity and requirement from time to time.

    Now philosophy [ ADvaita ]

    • Both OS and other softwares are of same type [ AS ATMA &  PARAMATMA are of same type ]
    • All softwares are similar and mere set of instructions of similar types inherent to CPU  and hence one .
    • Difference is in the worldly terms but from CPU point of view they all are similar and infact one only one .
    • Both reside in the same place ie at any given point of time instruction that is being executed in the processor [CPU] cannot be distinguished whether it is of OS or OF soaftware , its just a instruction for the processor and processor irrespectively executes it . [ Thus the original form of Software , whether OS or ANy Application is in the form of a set of instructions common to both , thus they can be declared as same ]
    • As execution is independent and common to both apps and OS , the delineation of a task is external manifestation and is mithya [ of local consequences only ] , inreality from CPU point of view , it makes no difference whether OS is operating or Application is running .
    • Certain specialized  application when given access to higher resources of the Computer , can act akin to OS and infact merge as a enhancement to OS [ when written in assemby modules ]
    • Thus a application is subservient OS as long as it feels as an application , if it realizes that it is equal to OS in form and perspective , it can gain access  to higher resouces of Architecture and merge with OS .
    • So as ATMA [application] realizes that it is infact Paramatma [OS] [ AHAM BRAMHASMI] it can merge into the OS [ BRAMHA] .

    Dvaita philosophy

    • Both OS and Appliation Software are unique and different [ ATMA and PARAMATMA are different and unique ]
    • Though they are made up of similar knowledge instructions , Apllication software is subset of OS [ Bimba pratibimba]
    • Difference is not only in the worldly terms but also there is Difference as OS is superior and has complete control of application layers
    • All other softwares are also unique and different .
    • The superiority of OS is visible and to the experience of us all as OS if busy in other activity , application does not show result [ karma is not accomplished as per desire]
    • Though OS and apps instruction set and only one instruction at a given point resides CPU , [ it becomes difficult to identify whether CPU is executing OS or application ] such a overlap exists but OS retains its superiority  through Clock and control circuitry .
    • At no point can Application override a perfect OS .
    • EVen if Application realizes the presence of OS and go according to its allocation of resorces , all it can expect is better resources and smooth execution and priority from OS . But never can it equal OS .
    • Even after such prioritisation [ due to frequent execution and presence in good books ; prefetch] it still remains subservient to OS .
    • So Atma is never equal to Paramatma and always remains subservient to HIM .
    • If aplication tries to gain access to higher resources , for which it is not eligible , it is either termed as VIRUS[ tamoyogya] or the computer crashes , with OS opting to preempt the software .
    • Sometimes such crahses can be ireversible [ Andhatamas] .
    • BUt in all cases OS remains the KING , before , and thereafter too .

    krishnarpana

     
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    Posted by on May 15, 2009 in Astroanalysis, education, sadhana

     

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