195. Again, when anyone goes from one place to another, whether it be in his own city, or in courts or in gardens, or to others outside his own society, he arrives more quickly when he desires it, and later when he does not, the way itself being lengthened or shortened in accordance with the desire, although it is the same way. This I have often seen and have wondered at it. From these things again it is evident that distances and consequently spaces are entirely according to the states of the interiors with the angels,# and this being so, no notion or idea of space can enter their thought, although there are spaces with them equally as in the world. # Places and spaces appear visible according to the states of the interiors of angels and spirits (n. 5604, 9440, 10146).