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CHAPTER 4 : DIALOGUE "ULTRACAPACITY" NEW ATTEMPTS AND TRACK IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.   (Recorded:March 26th, 1997 )

Murakami:  If I'm not wrong, it's been three years since our last interview.  Now that you will publish the popular edition, I would like to ask you in detail about the new products and the new ideas achieved since then.
Yamagishi:  There are two main trends.  We have one  new means into which I can introduce energy.
The thing is, while in plain water much energy can't be introduced, it can certainly  be easily introduced in "Sennin-Hisui" divine water.
Murakami:  Where does that water come from?
Yamagishi:  They say it comes from Kamaishi mine (located in Iwate Prefecture, in northern Japan) or close to it.  When I drank it, I felt something strange.  So, I tried to introduce energy into it and I achieved it.
Murakami:  Can't it be introduced into plain water, such as Evian?
Yamagishi:  Among the brands you can find in the market, some of them are good, but not the best.  Water is formed by a conglomerate of molecules, that is, by many tiny particles...
Murakami:  Conglomerate? It's like a cluster of grapes, isn't it?
Yamagishi:  Yes, indeed.  The smaller the conglomerate, the easier you can introduce energy into it.  That's what I felt.
Murakami:   Because of the facility by which energy can be introduced into that water, you can discover what it really is.
Yamagishi:  Sometime in the past, it was measured by using devices designed to evaluate the undulatory movement.  If you check the data, you will notice the difference between the energies that were measured, even when the environment varies.
Murakami:  The wave...oes it come from the energy?
Yamagishi:  I think so.  In fact I'm not sure.  That device gives us different results even when testing it with music.  The only think we regret is that the device itself can't be recognized as such.
Murakami:  But, a wave is a wave, and it should have energy of any type.  It would be interesting to know about it.
Yamagishi:  When a device like that gets recognition, we will be able to measure all our energy types to know all their values.  Therefore, we have some hope to attain it, though it will take some time.
Murakami:  What I always say to my friends is that if any part of your body is in severe pain and then that pain disappears, you will be grateful, don't you think so?  But if you never have your shoulders tense, as I do...
Yamagishi:  It becomes normal.
Murakami:  For me it's normal since my profession is writing novels.  Occasionally,  I isolate myself in Hakone (a summery zone located close to Mount Fuji) for three weeks or a month and write for ten hours or more everyday.  Under such circumstances, you will be surprised if your shoulders don't get tense.
So, for someone who can get some help from "Papaberu", getting the numerical value from the energy would be good news.  But I don't care about it.
Yamagishi:  Whether  possible or not, I will continue with my things.
Murakami:  Maybe some day it will be possible.
I guess many people have visited you since the publication of your book.
Yamagishi:  What I always consider very important to say is that I can't do it when in fact I can't, and that I don't know it if I really don't.  Otherwise one lie will bring about another lie.
Murakami:  Behaving like that is important.
Yamagishi:  Or well, people will think I am not very honest.  If they ask me, "Can energy be generated in  a certain way?" nbsp; My answer is, "No, it can't" and that's it,  or "What is this? "I don't know" and that's it.
Murakami:  I remember you telling me often "I don't know" when I interviewed you three years ago.   Anyway, it is a scientific attitude.  The word "scientific" does not mean that everything can be understood, but that there is a distinct dividing line between the known and the unknown.
Yamagishi:  I think so, too.

INFORMATION HIGHWAY, HYPOTHALAMUS

Murakami:  Then, please brief me on the last results in detail.
Yamagishi:  I have already told you that we found that water is a good means for keeping energy.  Another good means is "Nopal," which  will soon be imported to Japan to be tested.  It is a cactus that is eaten as a natural food.  And you know what? You can introduce a lot of energy into it.
Murakami:  Isn't it a cactus that produces hallucinations like peyote?
Yamagishi:  No, it isn't.
Murakami:  It is not peyote...
Yamagishi:   Nowadays, people in Mexico eats a lot of nopal because they believe it helps against diabetes.
Murakami:  Aha.
Yamagishi:   The nopal itself is good for health, since it contains a lot of fiber.  It hasn't been imported to Japan before.
Murakami:  It will be a little difficult to import  because of customs regulations.  Did you try it when your were in Mexico?
Yamagishi:  It is one of the things they have sent us from Mexico believing it will help us.  When I tried to introduce energy into it, I was able to do it and said to myself  "Yes, it works!"
Murakami:  Do you mean that besides the CDs, the ones with image, water and nopal are the new means?
Yamagishi:  That's right.  We choose the CD or the water according to the energy type.
Murakami:  As for myself, I always drink the divine water "Gansee-Hiroo"and as  I sit for many hours in front of the computer, it helps me a lot.
Yamagishi:  According to some information that we got from a hospital in Osaka, blind people can recover their eyesight.
Murakami:  May it be due to the effect of the crystalline lens?
Yamagishi:  Well...in fact...I don't know.
Murakami:  Then, let's start with something easy.
I understand that both,the "Nanso Method" and the "Papaberu" have been innovative methods.  I say that because I lived that experience myself.  After them, many other similar methods followed suit.
Yamagishi:  They had an important effect on the pineal gland.  It was said enthusiastically that the stimulus on it caused the secretion of melatonine.  But it was still partial.   We directly stimulated the pineal gland to see what happened.  And the result was such an unexpected reaction that we were about to call an ambulance.
Murakami:  What happened?
Yamagishi:  I got a rash.  It had never happened to me before.  First, I felt an itchy sensation that then spread all over my body.  It looked like an allergy caused by drugs or an anaphylactic shock.
Murakami:  Maybe it was an immune hypereaction.
Yamagishi:  Yes.  That's what happened and I didn't know what to do.  I had only taken one medication for the stomach twelve hours before.  I tried to figure out what had happened, but I couldn't.  Probably it was the energy that stimulated the pineal gland.
However, when the malaise disappear after this unexpected reaction, you will be healthy again.  What happens is that the reaction is very hard.  The greater the malaise the more terrible the reaction is.  Thus, we have not talked about it for a while.
But, since there were many members who wanted to experience it regardless of the reaction, now I try to transmit the energy taking precautions against any possible reaction.
Then, I stimulated other parts such as the amygdala, the hypothalamus, and the hypophysis.  Besides that, I don't have any other important information to tell you.
Murakami:  The locus cerulean is also a part of the limbic system that controls the emotional effect, isn't it?
Yamagishi:  The amygdala itself controls people's likes. For example,  the fact that someone doesn't like snakes is due to an effect of the amygdala.
Murakami:  The emotional effect.  It would be the essential clue when experimenting on the brain through narcotics; for example, heroin which makes people enter an state of calmness.
Yamagishi:  It seems so.  For someone who doesn't feel like doing anything it would be better to stimulate the hypothalamus.  There are people who don't react to anything that is happening in society, aren't there?  Just like old people.  And there are some youngsters whose eyes are like that of a dead fish.
Murakami:  What?
Yamagishi:  Just like that..!  Death looks.  For that kind of people that stimulus is necessary. The hypothalamus works like the information highway.  It is there where the data that enters the brain is distributed.  Thus, the hypothalamus sorts them out one by one and finally reunite them again in order to recognize them.  I don't know exactly how, but that's what they say.
They also say that when the hypothalamus doesn't function properly, there are hallucinations.  So, when you find a Samurai by your side after a very heavy training routine it will be due to the hypothalamus erosion.  Thinking of the way in which the information highway could work better, I generated that energy to see what happened.
The hypothalamus is where desire is controlled.  It is there where many "small brains" are located.  When I underwent "Auto Load," I got thinner.  I didn't feel the need to eat almost anything.
Murakami:  Have you abstained from eating a lot?
Yamagishi:  Well, I believe I eat a lot, but people around me don't think so.
Murakami:  If I am not mistaken, the hypothalamus controls the sexual urge...
Yamagishi:  Yes, indeed.  The sexual urge and the craving for food.  We could call it the brain of the desire.  The nervous system flows through those parts and it is there where it has something to do with dopamine.  Moreover, anticipating the future I stimulated the cerebellum a little bit, to no avail.
Murakami:  You transmitted energy to that part of the brain,  didn't you?
Yamagishi:  Yes, I did.
Murakami:  Isn't there a part where it may cause trouble?
Yamagishi:  Well, I don't know.  If it goes wrong, it goes wrong.
Murakami:  Ja, ja, ja.
Yamagishi:  Let's do it anyway.  If it goes well, it goes well.

GOOD ENERGY FOR THE BODY

Murakami:  You've said one thing that I am interested in.  When you don't have the energy and the vitality needed, you take an indirect measure, reflecting introspectively,  don't you?
First, you have to look back and if there is a trauma, you have to talk about it.  That's what we call therapy.  In that way, the trauma will be found and then cured through various steps.  As though creating a new story or writin a new literary piece.  However, you don't do that.  It is really original and interesting to stimulate the brain directly with the "point of a needle."
Yamagishi:   Oh, really?
Murakami:  Not inside, but outside the brain to make it safer.  I love that idea.  It's really interesting.
Yamagishi:  Well, I do it because I like it.  Otherwise, I wouldn't do it.  In addition , there is the so-called sacroiliac articulation which is related to health or mood.  It's where the ilium and the sacro join.
Murakami:  Which part of the body does it belong to?
Yamagishi:  The waist, the hip, or close to them.  If it slackens, you will lose all your strength.  When you lay down with your face looking upward and you can't raise your legs, it is because probably  the sacroiliac articulation is loose.  But, if it  tightens a little bit, you will experience a significant recovery.
Murakami:  Articulations...are they joined together by cartilage?
Yamagishi:  Most of the articulations are like that; however, the sacroiliac one and some others are joined together by the ligament.  These parts have some movement but not much.
If the sacroiliac articulation is loose, you don't have strength, and therefore you will get tired pretty soon.  Something you will notice when that part is tightened is that your eyes will brighten again.  People who have that part loose have dull eyes.
The difference is essential, and for that reason we have produced  "tight" and "loose" energies.
Murakami:  Interesting, very interesting.  If you are depressed, lack vitality, or feel tired, in general you are diagnosed with a problem like this, or your are told "to be more confident about the future."Anyway, through this method, a part of your body will vitalize.  In this way the brain metabolites will appear and disappear.  Nobody had tried it before in such a direct way as you did.  If someone else wants to do it, the only alternative is using drugs.
Yamagishi:  That's right.
Murakami:  Hypothetically, it is said that there is an unlimitled amount of brain metabolites, very few of which can be found or examined, right?  Maybe an unknown metabolic substance acts when the limbic system is stimulated, I guess.
Yamagishi:  The point here is that...there are two states, ,"In-Vitro" and "In-Vivo." nbsp; It means that the results will be different when applying something to a living body than when applying it to a body inside a crystal container.
The function of an  "EDTA" reactive is to carry metals by inserting them, let's say "quelato", therefore, if it is poured over an exposed heart, it would stop beating.
However, by inserting it into the body through instillation, it will collect all the heavy metals contained in it and they will be expelled along with the urine.  Therefore, experimenting inside and outside the body is a different thing, though similar in some respect.
Murakami:   You mean that, for example, regarding proteins, the results are different when they act inside the body than when they act in the test tube,  aren't they?
Yamagishi:  And concerning the brain, I believe that it's not the same to stimulate it with the electrode than to let it activate by itself.  What we can do is the latter.
Murakami: Without applying a substance from outside, right?
Yamagishi:  What I care about the most is knowing what would happened if  some part of the living body were activated.  This is indeed most interesting.
Murakami:   That way no side effects will show up.
Yamagishi:  Yes, indeed.  For example, giving drugs like morphine is different from secreting endorphin, which is produced by the brain itself.
There is an energy type called "Endogenous ACTH," which stimulates the production of ACTH or adrenocorticotropic hormone.  The hypothalamus produces propimelanocortin which turns into both endorphine and ACTH.  This type of energy facilitates the process.  It makes the suprarenal gland to produce the hormone of the suprarenal cortex.
Injecting the hormone in the body causes strong side effects, while using energy doesn't.  I believe some doctors use this type of energy.
In this respect, I believe that stimulating with energy is convenient for the living body.
Murakami:  I agree.  And what you do is  transmitting this kind of capacity to other people.

FLEXIBLE ENERGY

Yamagishi:  I'm going to talk about the energy that we discovered later.  As I already told you regarding the sacroiliac articulation, once I thought that if the articulations that are joined just by the ligament could move, the cranium fracture, which has the form of a suture, could move too.  Although people believe that this part is very rigid,  in fact it's very movable.
For example, if the upper and lower jaws don't connect well, the cranium will bend, and if it bends, it will cause sickness or problems.  So I produced an energy by saying to myself,  "If the sacroiliac articulation moves, why not the cranium, too?" nbsp; What we call "Ugokotto" is also very interesting (laughter).   It was very difficult for me to find that name.
Murakami:  It sounds like "Tamagotchi," doesn't it?  (laughter)
Yamagishi:  And wait to hear more.  It's "Yurumetto," nbsp; because it loosens (yurumeru = to loosen) the whole cranium.  "To" indicates the head.  Opposite to it we have "Shimetto", because it tightens it (shimeru= to tighten).  I believe I exaggerated a little bit on this point.
Murakami:  And,  how is it?
Yamagishi:  It's really a comfortable energy.  It frees you because of the loosening  and tightening of the cranium.
Murakami:  But, where did you get an idea like that from?  From some books?
Yamagishi:  No, no.  Concerning the energy of the sacroiliac articulation, I got it from a comment made by a member:  "And if the articulation moves, why not the cranium?"
Murakami:  Well.  The way you think is very healthy.
Yamagishi:   And then I achieved another energy.  Since de sacro consists of various bones, it could be separated.  Knowing that it wasn't convenient to be very tight, I tried to separate it.  And that's how I got "Shinayakana Senkotsu" (the flexible sacro).  It is very effective and makes your feel better.
Then, I made the spinal column to be flexible and to move easily.  This is called "Shinayakana Sekitsui" (the flexible spinal column).
Murakami:  It sounds like the title of an European film.  "Shinayakana Sekitsui" nbsp; (laughing)
Yamagishi:  And also believing that the teeth could move, I moved them outwards and I called this "Shinayakana Shiretsu".  (the flexible dental line)
Murakami:  That's good!
Yamagishi:  There is still more.  There are two ways of breathing.  One is through the mouth and the other through the nose.  Before, I used to breathe through my mouth.  I often caught a cold and couldn't recover easily, I snored, it was difficult for me to breathe while I was asleep...These are common problems for people who breathe this way.
So, I thought it would be convenient to be able to breathe through the nose.  And I called it "Sawayakana Ohana (the fresh nose) (laughing).   Now, I don't breathe through my mouth anymore.  I wonder why I feel so good when I breathe through my nose.
Murakami:  Oh, really?
Yamagishi:  I regained my perfect state of health.  I didn't like my bed at all because it was too hard and I wanted to change it.  But, one day I saw the way children sleep.  They are very flexible.  Eureka!  I started to listen to de CD "Shinayakana Sekitsui" (the flexible spinal cord) and I could sleep pretty well.  If you sleep well, fatigue will go away.

NOT BELONGING TO THE AGONY OF MODERN JAPAN

Murakami:  After our last colloquy, the sad incident of AUM ( Supreme Truth radical sect) occurred.  You and they are completely different.  Your are a person emotionally healthy.
Yamagishi:  They demanded the followers to do the impossible, leaving aside the true capacity of the founder.  The more difficult the things they have to perform, the more divine the founder appears to be. That's one of the simplest mechanisms that exist.
Murakami:  It usually happens.  What I consider to be unhealthy is...How could I say it?...
You were a pharmacist, weren't you?  Both my wife and I are addict to medicine.
Sometime ago, when I was diagnosed with hypochondria, I tried to treat it with medicine.  Then, a critic on literature told me that writers in former periods, for example, in the Meeji era (1867-1912) used to consider their hypochondria or melancholy as a "symbol of the modernization of Japan" and thus, feeling the agony, they carried out their literature. They believed in the existence of "an interior part" or "heart" inside the human beings and considered it as the place where agony came from.   But far from that,I thought "I will have some medicine because I feel bad." nbsp; I don't believe in the "agony of modern Japan."
The patterns of religion are first to create an absurd  story like that and then achieve liberation through penitence.  The sect  "Supreme Truth" was not the exception.  But your are not like that.  "I am going to loosen the cranium," "What would happen if I stimulated the pineal gland or the locus cerulean?," nbsp; "It is good because I feel good" nbsp; You don't belong to the agony of modern Japan.
Yamagishi:  That's why everybody abandons me.
Murakami:  They don't understand about fun.  Maybe their ideas are more solemn.  For example, they dress in white robes.
Yamagishi:  Yes.
Murakami:  It's a joke!  (laughing)

"CLOCK" AND "CHANNEL" TO BE MORE INTELLIGENT AND "CANCEL" TO MAKE CANCER DISAPPEAR

Yamagishi:  There are two interesting types of energies to be more intelligent. One of them is called "Clock"
Murakami:  Oh, I tried it once.
Yamagishi:  What happens is that the nervous system consists of many nerves, although they are not directly connected.  Every one of those nerves emits to other nerves a neurotransmitter called acetylcholine.  And after receiving it, the nerve emits it to another nerve.  The thing is, if the emitted neurotransmitter remains attached there, it won't be able to receive the next signal.  Therefore, the cholinesterase cleans it so that it could receive the other neurotransmitter.  The energy "Clock" makes the cleaning faster.
It means that it may increase the amount per second of the information flowing.  It is like accelerating the speed of a computer's CPU.  But, the energy "Clock" doesn't make you feel a sensation of pleasure.
Murakami:  I used to do it before.  Then I had a big load of work.
Yamagishi:  That's good!   (laughing)
Murakami:  I got to finish my works on many fields.
Yamagishi:  The other type of energy that I achieved last year was "Channel".  If a nerve (through which the signal is being transmitted) is relatively large, the ionic channel begins to work.   The inner part of a nerve carries positive electricity and the outer part negative one.  The next nerve is arranged in the opposite way.
The moment  positive and negative electricity substitute each other, the signal  leaps forward.  I came up with the idea of  "Channel" when I was thinking if I could accelerate the speed of the conduction.
Regarding the CPU, in order to make faster calculations, all you need is to make "Down Sizing."  Since the maximum speed of the nervous transmission is 120 meters per second (which is very slow), I thought I could accelerate it in the same way.  And  what would  happen?You would become more intelligent.
Students would obtain good grades, examinees would pass their exams.  It was easy for us to speak or write.  So it has been very valuable to us.   What happens is that the cellular membrane has many ionic channels which absorb what is outside and evacuate what is inside.  I came up with the idea of manipulating the ionic channels.
For example, if the ionic channel gets blocked, you die.  It means that, if the ionic channel of the cancerous cell gets blocked, it will also die.  It would be very interesting to be able to do these things.
There is also the possibility of curing degenerative diseases caused by the abnormality of the ionic channels.   I make use of the energy in this way.  At this moment I am playing the CD to cure cancer.  I had two mice that suffered from cancer.  I felt affection for them so I applied energy.  As a result, their hair became shiny again.   Imagine, they had an enormous cancer.
One died and I found out that his cells had diminished.  Before that he ate and played on my hand.  In spite of that, he died the following day.  The one that remained alive had cancer in his tail, but it had also diminished, and he is still alive.
Murakami:  That's great!
Yamagishi:  It's clear that the cancerous cells have diminished.  They turned black, as if dead.  The mouse is still alive and eating.
Murakami:  Incredible!
Yamagishi:  I named that type of energy "Cancel" inspired by the word "Cancer." nbsp; (laughing)
Murakami:  That's an energy which "Cancels" cancer.  The ionic channel is an important element for the living body, isn't it?
Yamagishi:  This energy will give us the opportunity to control the ionic channel.  That's what I think.

OVERREACTION PRODUCES STRESS

Murakami:  You have told me almost everything about the brain.  Now, will you tell me about immunity?
Yamagishi:  Certainly.
Murakami:  It's what produces an excessive reaction or histamine, right?
Yamagishi:  Before, in order to obtain "Allergen," we had to ask someone to introduce it into the CD. But not anymore.
I had to ask someone to introduce into the CD whatever allergens they presented.  Now one is enough to obtain "Allergen."
They say that the allergy to pollen produces thirty different symptoms, some of which can be cured.   However, each year the signals and symptoms vary and that nullifies the effectiveness of the energy.
Murakami:  By the way,  are you allergic to pollen?
Yamagishi:  No, not al all.
Murakami:  Me neither.
Yamagishi:  If you wish you can test it.  If "Allergen." is placed close to you, your eyes become inflamed, it produces tears or mucus...
Murakami:  What are the characteristics of the CD "Allergen"?
Yamagishi:  If you play it, you become dizzy.  So, we don't play it anymore.
Murakami:  So, that's why!  (laughing)
Concerning immunity, "Allergen" is like the pollen of cypress for a person who has an allergy, isn't it?   Some people are affected by it but others are not. The reason for this is unknown.  I have read an essay written by an immunologist.  It says:  "the children in former times were snotty nosed, catarrhal, and that mucus helped as a barrier against the allergy to pollen."
Yamagishi:  Ja, ja, ja.
Murakami:  I think that's not true.  Anyway, that's an overreaction, not a lack of immunity.  I personally consider the allergy to pollen as a different form of stress.
Yamagishi:   In fact I can't say very much about this subject, but, anyway...
Murakami:  That's not very important.
Yamagishi:   No, it isn't.
Murakami:  I'm going to write a novel called "Hyuuga Virus," nbsp; and therefore, I have studied a lot about immunity and viruses.   I learned that the brain metabolites also carry proteins such as interleukine  which activates the immunity function, right?
Yamagishi:  Yes, indeed.
Murakami:  I'm sure you know about this topic, but they say it's one of the subjects immunologists talk about recently.
Since you have achieved some results in the brain's field, if you applied them to immunity you would probably attain incredible things.
Yamagishi:  What I'm interested in now is whether or not I can touch the ion channel of the cells.
Murakami:  That's great!
Yamagishi:  If I succeeded in the energy "Cancel," I would leave "Kensankai" (his company) and would travel everywhere being a "Gun Man" with the CD.
Murakami:  What?
Yamagishi:  A wanderer "Gun Man," able to cure cancer... (laughing) (the English word "Gun" has a  sound  similar to the Japanese word "Gan" [which means cancer] )
Murakami:  Ja, ja, ja.  If we were able to kill any cell, for example, the CD4 cell invaded by the HIV, even AIDS would disappear.
Yamagishi:  It is very likely.  Alzheimer would disappear too, since it is a metabolic abnormality.
Murakami:   You spend every day having fun like this.  You discover one thing and through it you develop another thing...
Yamagishi:  Not only that.  I worry too.  Now I worry, when I think about  the mouse that survived. I wonder if it is still alive.  It's not good for the mind.  (laughing)  It accumulates stress.

LESSON TAUGHT BY THE FINNISH SYNDROME

Yamagishi:  If people were sure they would never get cancer, they would feel great.
Murakami:  It would be a radical change for our society.
YAMAGISH:  If we were able to manipulate the ionic channel and were sure we'll never have cancer...Oh, no.  Many people would do whatever they feel like doing.
Murakami:  No, no.  It wouldn't be like that.  Just realize how conservative society has become.
Once, an immunologist told me about the well-known Finnish Syndrome.  The government of that country classified a thousand citizens, half of them never made love, never drank, and never smoked, and the other half did whatever they pleased.  They were observed for 10 years and it was discovered that those who had  enjoyed life fully showed more vitality.
Yamagishi:  It makes sense.
Murakami:  People who had more restrictions died first.  The Finnish government didn't want to make the results publicly available and remained silent  (laughing).  They were afraid that people would do whatever they feel like doing.  Well, I'm not saying that it's better to live this way.  However, if you live an exciting life the immune system works better.
Yamagishi:  Since you feel better when you do whatever you want to do, when you're told not to do this, not to do that, the body stops functioning properly. You become both mentally and physically useless.
Murakami:  Nowadays they say that human beings possess an innate "self-healing" system and that if we knew to make use of it, we wouldn't get sick.
What you are doing goes one step ahead.  In addition to what the body innately possesses, you add energy to it.
Yamagishi:  Many of my relatives had cancer.  My father was not the exception.  He died because of pancreatic cancer.  If you tell me that something is wrong with my body I would be terrified.  That would weaken myself.
Murakami:  It's the mind that would weaken.
Yamagishi:  That's why I would like people to have a specific energy against cancer which frees everybody from stress. The stress caused by fear of having cancer.  If you worry about Alzheimer, you would worry much more if you knew you have it.  Having an energy like that, everybody would feel better.
Murakami:  And, what about AIDS?
Yamagishi:  It would be the same.
Murakami:  Everyone would feel better and would say "I'm not afraid, I've got that energy."
Yamagishi:  Human beings are the only ones who have so many diseases.  That's because there is no balance between mind and body.
Murakami:  I agree with you.
One discovery brings another discovery.  It's a matter of curiosity.
Yamagishi:  I do it because I enjoy it.
Murakami:  What I can't believe is that there are people who wonder what they have to do in order to be curious.
Yamagishi:  To loosen the sacroiliac articulation.  To stimulate the amygdala.  (laughing)
Murakami:  Come to "Perfect Harmony"!  (laughing)   Your company is too simple for people who are expecting to suffer.
Yamagishi:  That's it.  The simpler the better.
Murakami:  I love simple things.

ENERGY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH INTERNET

Yamagishi:  We have created a new system so everybody can get the information needed by fax (just by making one call) .  It is something similar to the Home Page of Internet.
Since all my books are translated into Spanish and English, I'm going to register them in Internet.  There is an economic difference between Mexico and Japan, but if there were a Home Page translated into Spanish, even  Mexican people would be able to read it.   I'm trying to create a system that is able to record the energy automatically with just a "Click," holding the CD in one hand.  In this way you don't have to spend money,  right?  If the CD is produced that way, "Down Load" could be done at any time.
Murakami:  This CD is like software, right?
Yamagishi:  Not really.  The CD can be used as many times as you wish if you introduce into it an energy that can be "Down Loaded."  I will sell it at a reasonable price.  My plan is as follows:  that people buy the CD, then open the Home Page, listen to it, make a "Click" in the type of energy they want, and print the page, which will be the instructions.
Murakami:  That's great!   That's the reason for Internet to exist, no more no less.
Yamagishi:  The energy can also be sent by fax.
Murakami:  Oh, once it happened to me by phone!  There is a difference between today and three years ago:  the popularization of Internet.  Internet is very useful when changing the type and application of the energy.
Yamagishi:  Yes, that's what I'm planning to do.
Murakami:  Your  are a real creator.
I'm planning to do my job through Internet, too.  It takes between two and five years for an American Publishing Company to publish my book.   My plans are not to publish it in Japanese through Internet.  But if I do it in English, the English-Speaking people would be able to read it soon.  So, Ryuuichi Sakamoto (who composed the music for the film "The Last Emperor") and I are preparing it.
Yamagishi:  Maybe I will have to talk to the publisher, but since my literature is translated both into Spanish and English, I can publish them through Internet whenever I wish to do it.
Murakami:  Don't fail to do it, please!
Yamagishi:  If it were published in Spanish and English...
Murakami:  It would cover most of the world.  How great Internet is!
Yamagishi:  People who spend their time looking at pictures of naked girls through Internet are misusing it.  The true value of Internet is that you can create a Home Page and let people take from it all the information they require at any time they need it.  Regarding our Home Page, people can take from it the energy itself, not just the information.
Murakami:  Undoubtedly, a Home Page like that will be unique in the whole world.
Yamagishi:  I think it is very interesting.  The important thing here is the result.  Don't you think so?  People from Europe keep on asking "Why?" "Where does that energy come from?" nbsp; And Americans would argue that  it produces side effects.
Murakami:  Why don't you write some remarks?  Like those prohibiting the access to some Home Pages to people under age.
Yamagishi:  Or limit it just to members.  "Make use of the energy under your own responsibility."
Murakami:  Keep the current activity in Japan and then spread it around the world.
Yamagishi:  Of course.  In Mexico we have many members even though they are unofficial.  The good thing about Mexican people is that they are mixed in a certain way.  The Aztecs had an awareness similar to ours, and since Mexicans are a mixture of Aztecs (and other prehispanic civilizations) with Spaniards, they understand us as well as they understand westerners.
I have been told that people from the United States don't understand anything when they listen to my lectures.  On the contrary, Mexican people do very well what I say.  Since Mexican people also have the awareness of westerners, if they (Mexicans) explain to Europeans,  these will understand it better.
Murakami:  In Mexico there are mystical traditional powers like those of the Mayas and Aztecs.
Yamagishi:  That's correct.  If you go to Argentina, you will find a world of white people.
Murakami:  I like Mexican paintings and films.  Their cultural background is very intense.  This is far from the general idea most people have.
Yamagishi:  By the way, Mr. Murakami, you don't like places located far above the sea level, do you?
Murakami:  No, I don't.
Yamagishi:  Do you know why?  It's because you need more oxygen.  When I employ the energy in a place far above the sea level, I feel as if I were dying.   The reason for this, I believe, is that I make my brain work more than anybody else.  There is no part of the body that needs more oxygen than the brain.
Murakami:  I didn't know that!
Yamagishi:  Writing or thinking is hard.  (Hyper Oxygen) is good for all that.
Murakami:  Even though you apply this type of energy (Hyper Oxygen) to me I still wouldn't like to go there.  If it were Cancun, I would love to go.
Yamagishi:  Cancun and Merida  are very hot places, mainly in the afternoon.
Murakami:  But the sea is beautiful there.
Yamagishi:  Do you know that interesting places tend to be far above sea level?
Murakami:  Oh, really?  For example, which ones?
Yamagishi:  In tourist places such as Teotihuacan there is no energy.  Go there, climb to the top of the pyramid and you will see many hills around, which are in fact pyramids.  They are deteriorated, but keep a lot of energy.
Murakami:  I didn't know that!
Yamagishi:  There is no energy where there are many tourists.  It's interesting, isn't it?   Do you know the Olmec Head?   If I am not mistaken, it can be found in the Anthropology Museum in Mexico City.  Puff, how much energy is hidden inside it.
Murakami:  By the way, how is your Spanish?
Yamagishi:   "Progressing slowly" nbsp; (laughing)   "little by little" (laughing).    I don't like the English world.
Murakami:  I also like places where Spanish is spoken, mainly, in the new continent.   Isn't  there more energy in the new world than in the old world?
Yamagishi:  I like the old world  maybe because Indians and Mongoloids lived there.
In the Peninsula of Yucatan there are a lot of pyramids.  Not all of them are completely directed towards the North, but a little bit rotated.
Murakami:  How is that?
Yamagishi:  If they had a technology like that to build those things, then they must have been able to place them exactly facing North.  But they didn't.  In addition, all of them have the same degree of rotation.  I think the pyramids in Yucatan are more antique than what archeologists say.   I believe they were exactly facing North when they were built.  Since the axis of the earth is moving gradually, if we go back in time we will see how old they are.
Murakami:  They must be very antique, otherwise there wouldn't be any explanation for being rotated.
Yamagishi:  Europeans think that ancient people were foolish, and say that's why they failed to build the pyramids facing exactly North.
Murakami:   Europeans have their own history, but they are arrogant.
Yamagishi:  Regarding the drawings of Nazca, they are so big that can only be seen from an aircraft.  A German scientist asserts that it is a calendar of an agricultural civilization.  But if they wanted a calendar, one of a normal size would have been enough.
When I travel around the world I always think that history of humanity may be more ancient than people generally think.
Murakami:  One thing is for sure:  The world has made great progress due to the  philosophical trends
born in Europe after the Middle Ages.  However, there are things to which this philosophy cannot be
applied.
Yamagishi:  No wonder.
Murakami:  What you are saying or doing is what Maya and Inca priests did.

HUMANS HAVE A LATENT CAPACITY

Yamagishi:  I can do certain things, but not because I'm exceptional.  Humans have that capacity but they can't reveal what is hidden inside them.  Therefore, there might have  been someone who possessed a capacity much more stronger than mine, since the ultracapacity is a natural phenomenon.
Murakami:  And, it would be disastrous if you thought you are special.
What I'm going to say next has no relation to what we are talking about now.  I wonder why people never talk about the things that motivated so many individuals with a high level of education to be part of AUM (radical sect, Supreme Truth).  I consider it a big problem Japanese people have.
Yamagishi:  The ones who became believers of the sect were ordinary people.  Most of them were individuals who didn't know how to be a "Child" when they were children.
Murakami:  You can find people like that not only in the sect AUM, but everywhere.
Yamagishi:  Many of them are childish, and therefore, they need support.  They prefer to be with someone who tells them what they should and should not do despite its being right or wrong.
Murakami:  That's why they go there.  It makes them feel good.  But I believe that's wrong.  They don't know how to be independent and how to communicate with other people.
Yamagishi:  Someone who has studied a lot but who has little experience can't avoid this situation.
Murakami:  When the disgraceful incident of Sarin Gas occurred, some American friends told me that we, Japanese people, are as incomprehensible as we had been in "Pearl Harbor" or the "Kamikaze." Thus, I reflected.  It is due to our character.  We are hysterical.  Instead of communicating or negotiating, we lock ourselves in within our community and respond to outsiders hysterically.
Yamagishi:  Fanatics are everywhere, not just in Japan.  Note this: Americans are very strict as far as  smoking is concerned.  In my opinion they are hysterical, too.
Murakami:  That's one of their shortcomings. They demand from others what they consider to be right.
Yamagishi:  They don't understand about moderation.  However, there are many Japanese who take their opinions for granted.
Murakami:  Yes, there are many.  One day, while I was smoking in an Indian restaurant in London, a guy came over and told me that smoking was not good.  Then I answered, "On the contrary, Sir,  smoking is good because you breathe deeply when you do it" nbsp; Then the guy said "Really? Well, I'll smoke, too (laughing).  After that I told him about the Finnish Syndrome.  Between the 500 people without sex and the 500 doing everything, only the latter survived. Then, other people who were on that place came closer and asked me to repeat the story.
Yamagishi:  Please carry on with the story.  Certainly you would exert more influence on people than myself.
Murakami:  I hope so.  Since we are going to publish the paperback edition, we will cause controversy once again.  That's good!